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Haha, Gengar will have a second exclusive move

Lick!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/9rmct7/gengars_second_exclusive_move_for_gengar_day_will/

Asked by gluglumaster5 years 6 months ago
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I'm not sure to laugh or not because pretty sure people will begin to whine that their SC Gengars are wothless at that point.

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it's just a Lick over Shadow Claw. Honestly with Lick higher EPS and Gengar low survivability i'll take Lick over Shadow Claw

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Hard to say worthless because they're still legacy so there's definite collector value, and since Lick isn't outright better, any SC Gengars already invested in retain their value for use in battle.

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On the contrary, I'm personally stoked. I'm content with my only SC Gengar as a collectible (and 96% to boot), and soon I can obtain a different collectible Gengar? Sign me up!!!

Haven't run the numbers but I don't believe SC or Lick will have a significant advantage over each other? As attackers these Gengar will be as good as Gengar is capable of.

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Shadow Claw has better DPS, and Lick has better EPS. Combined with Shadow Ball, their overall DPS is really similar.

Lick + Shadow Ball just edges ahead very slightly but, especially given how frail Gengar is, it might faint before being able to throw off the Shadow Ball that makes the difference.

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Given how frail Gengar is, it is very likely that an SC Gengar will faint before launching the second SB that will bring it up to parity with Lick.

I say this from experience with SC/SB and H/SB Gengars against confusion Mewtwo and Alakazam. SC/SB always faints just before the second SB hits, whereas the H/SB is nearly always able to successfully launch a second SB. Lick has EPS that is very similar to hex.

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C Alakazam/Mewtwo is a very specific example though. It's just as possible to have a situation where Lick Gengar fails to get one more Shadow Ball out, in which case SC will have been better. This happening enough on average is likely what causes Pokebattler to put SC above Lick in some matchups.

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Well, first of all, those are pretty important specific examples, and second, L/SB still appears to have marginally higher cycle DPS than SC/SB. Add to that the flexibility/dodgeability of a shorter duration quick move, and it's a no-brainer.

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So can we TM Psychic away for a Lick/Shadow Ball combo?

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Presumably. This might actually be pretty smart, first incentivize people to spend passes on Lick Gengars, then have them spend a load of CTMs because they want to get rid of the exclusive charge move, which creates further incentive to buy more passes to get or replenish CTMs.

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Well don't need to spend passes since they're giving 5 out that day, but i get what you're saying

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If you want multiple with high IVs, there's a good chance you're looking at way more than 5 passes spent.

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Looks like I'm going to want at least a couple of catches that day - one to hold and one to TM to Shadowball.

Oddly the Gengar I get most use out of is SP/FB which no on else seems to rate, but for me is a handy gym attacker.

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Both are almost equal, but the salt from it "Not being Shadow claw" even though its better start rolling in

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A better solution for SC speculation. SC is still useful (though may not be the best) and have high value being old legacy meanwhile. Good job Niantic.

Edit: and we have to burn more CTM to get useful move combo.

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Those CTMs are the real kicker here. At least there's a chance to score a few for free with the extra daily passes.

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Considering Niantic's god-blessing RNG, 5 free passes are far from enough lol

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Thats what I mean, its not shadow claw, and even though shadow claw's still great, its now not as good as lick, but theres going to be people who are miffed off that it isnt technically shadow claw, even though its something better

Its actually so much better, i've heard some people in my chat saying its a more dodge friendly move to let it be a glass cannon better.

This is why I am glad I didnt bother wasting nay CTM's on mewtwo, and also makes me less sad about not knowing I could have tm'd my 96% mewtwo to shadow ball

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Gonna stock up CTMs. Already got TB Zap and Outrage Dragonite, no immediate use now.

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Got 3 CTM's for one giratina raid got 6 ctm's currently, cant wait to see how many more I get from raid day and giratina

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It's actually pretty hilarious that they trolled us with psychic as the exclusive move, and everyone was like "WTF?!?"

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The real question is if this was intentional or a response to the announcement regarding Psychic.

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That is a good point. I could see it both ways.

Personally I think if niantic just said that it was getting lick from the get go, the hype about it wouldn't be as much as now. After 3 months of bad CD's, then MM metagross beign as good as it is drastically boosted the hype about it, I think a similar thing is at play here. Making out expectations drop then bringing it back up with the announcement of lick would get us a lot more excited for it

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While Last Resort may have been a turd of a move I for one loved Eevee days and their triple dust.

I think people would still have the same amounts of hype if it was announced alongside Psychic. Lick's performance is near identical to Shadow Claw that people would likely see it about the same.

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Most of the people I know didnt really care for eevee beyond the mass dust either (personally I cant stand the overrated evolution pokemon myself, but I like some of its evolutions, cant wait to evolve my 985 into glaceon)

I'm not as sure, after we had FP Venasaur, then we had DP ampharosbe a bit of a killjoy aside from people who love ampharos, then we had BB charz, I saw a ton of people get super hyped because Charizard was good and you didnt need a glass cannon nonlegendary firetype as much. The same level of hype wasnt as present when we got SD tyranitar because we were expecting soemthing great out of it. Similar for MM metagross, after the 3 months of lackluster moves (I know HC is OP AF, but blastoise is trash statwise and cant use it) know a ton of people who were actually expecting it to be terrible because of the previous CD's and then were completely blown away when it was beyond their best hopes.

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Were people really expecting it to be trash? I admit I wasn't expecting it to be *as good* as we got but it's hard to do worse than Flash Cannon.

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