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Best Defensive Blissey

Blissey is unquestionably the top 1 defender in the current meta.
But to be more accurate, Dazzling Gleam Blissey is the real top 1 defender!

3 Reasons:
1. Dazzling Gleam is a 2-bar move, so less energy would be wasted under the control of AI.
2. One might argue Hyper Beam is better. But consider this: a full energy bar could launch 1 Hyper Beam, which deals 1501.25 = 187.5 (w/STAB); or 2 Dazzling Gleam, which deals 2100 = 200.
3. Type coverage. Dragonite, Tyranitar and Espeon/Alakazam, corresponding to Dragon, Dark and Psychic type are the 3 potential attackers. Hyper Beam would do 0.8 against Tyranitar, so is Psychic (and even 0.8 to Espeon/Alakazam). In comparison, Dazzling Gleam deals x1.25 to Dragonite AND Tyranitar, and x1 to Alakazam.

The quick move, on the other hand, doesn't matter that much. I would say that as Machamp/Hetacross with Counter/Close Combat is beating Normal Type more efficient that Dragonite, Zen Headbutt could potentially hit them hard. But again, if the attacker is Alakazam/Espeon Zen Headbutt would be less ideal.

What do you guys think?

Asked by bioweapon7 years 2 months ago
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Dazzling gleam is also super effective vs machamp and heracross. So that makes it even better.

I aggree. (quickmove not sure either)

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DG doing SE damage is similar to HB getting STAB boost, so that seems a wash against fighting types. Against others, you'd want STAB.

This just considers damage, ignores issues of dodging and frequency of use.

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This is true, I just assumed that people might want to use fightibg types vs Blissey since she's weak to that.

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I would say P VS ZH minimal difference.

I would probably say DG slightly better for def as it is constantly spammed...if you don't dodge DG it eats into your attacking mons HP pretty fast. Every dodge wastes time, and increases the chance of a time out.

I am willing to bet P or ZH with DG and HB will all be A for def move sets for blissey.

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Do we know which quick move charges up your charge move faster? I'd have to assume that the answer to this is also the answer to which is a better quick move.

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EPS of pound: 6.73 https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemon-move/pound

EPS of ZH: 6.45 https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemon-move/zen-headbutt

DPS defensively is better on ZH though...

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I don't know if that considers STAB. With it, pound defense dps is 3.29. Compared to non-STAB 3.38 DPS for ZH. Realay doesn't seem too different. That being said, to counter fighting types like machamp, I would suggest ZH is slightly better, but neither is bad.

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by majo 7 years 2 months ago

Thanks for the insides! And I was sad that I got Dazzling Gleam in the first moment... :)

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I would say as long as it's not Psychic as Charge move it's all good. Even then, it's splitting hair. I ran a bunch of simulations and no counting in dodge probability, Psychic always falls behind.

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I haven't battled a Dazzling Gleam blissey, but I have battled a Hyper Beam.

All of the battles against a strong Blissey will come down to the wire (in terms of the 90 sec time out).

And with Hyper Beam, the Blissey used it 3 times in the battle, and personally I probably pause more to dodge Hyper Beam than any other charge move (because of its strength but also because it has such an obvious wind up). So I feel like I spent a lot of time dodging, which was time I couldn't afford to lose.

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