My lineup:
1. Eggy L34.5 A15 Bullet Seed/Solar Beam
2. Eggy L29.5 A15 Bullet Seed/Solar Beam
3. Machamp L39 A13 Counter/Dynamic Punch
4. Machamp L32 A14 Counter/Dynamic Punch
5. Machamp L31 A10 Counter/Dynamic Punch
6. Machamp L31.5 A14 Karate Chop/Dynamic Punch
I also put the Eggies in later positions and still failed miserably.
Q: Should I change my lineup by inserting one/two of the followings:
Raikou L31.5 A15 Thunder Shock/Wild Charge
Raikou L31.5 A15 Thunder Shock/Wild Charge
Zapdos L28.5 A15 Charge Beam/Thunderbolt
Tks
Just power up your eggy’s (he will probably remain on of the best grass attacker in the next cuple of gens) and try to find another high lvl double grass Pokemon.
I succeeded with 20 seconds left, my lineup was 1 lvl 39 exeggutor (BS-SB), 1 lvl 35 exeggutor (BS-SB), a lvl 29 RL/SB-Vileplume, and a lvl 39 C/DP Machamp.
It can't be cause I did it! Think largely depends on it's charge move. I was lucky as it had ancient power so my machamps we're good. I used
BS/SoB eggy 2680 lvl 34.5 15a
BS/SoB eggy 2639 lvl 34.5 15a
BS/SoB eggy 2199 lvl 27 10a!!
2703 100% C/DP Champ lvl 35.5
2552 98% C/DP champ lvl 32
2476 100% C/DP Champ lvl 30
in that order. Breakpoint for exeggutor against omastar is 34.5
I'm planning to try others when I come across them but probably need 5 at least strong grass for moveset other than ancient power. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Good luck :)
If you can, I'd power up the Eggys and maybe even one more. And definitely replace the weak Machamp with a Raikou. Here's my winning team against Mud Shot Hydro Pump (only 3 seonds to spare):
1. Eggy L33 A15 Bullet Seed/Solar Beam
2. Eggy L33.5 A15 Extrasensory/Solar Beam
3. Victreebel L30 A14 Razor Leaf/Solar Beam
4. Machamp L31 A15 Counter/Dynamic Punch
5. Raikou L33 A15 Thunder Shock/Wild Charge
6. Eggy L28.5 A10 Confusion/Seed Bomb
Why all those Machamp? Grass is the way to go against Omastar. I havn't tryed yet but plan doing so. My lineup will consist of:
Victrebeel: RL/SoB lvl 31,5
Venasaur: VW/SoB lvl 31,5
Exeggutor: BS/SoB lvl 35,5
Exeggutor: C/SoB lvl 31,5
Victrebeel: RL/SoB lvl 31,5
Victrebeel: RL/LB lvl 31,5
I hope that will do it.
Could always switch in a third Exeggutor with C/SoB lvl 31,5 but only 9 attack or a 100% lvl 31,5 Vileplume. Will I make it?
i beat a double water one with 10seconds left after 3 attempts - i had 2 lv.30 double grass eggys, a venusaur, a double grass victreebel and a double grass vileplume all at 30 (with dragonite in 6th). the 2 eggys probably did 50% dmg in 1min between them then i was stuck with the b-lists and barely made it (though dodged hydropump to keep my best dps up).
my grass 'mons aren't great other than the 2 eggys so i'm not even gonna attempt an omastar with rock moves, but i still found it more a dps race than a survival race.
I tried Omastar for the first time yesterday. It was pretty hard but I was able to defeat him with 6 sec left. I tried all 45 min Raid time at least 6 - 7 times before win.
My line:
Exeggutor 2500CP 96 IV - Extrasensory/Solar Bean
Exeggutor 2300CP 91 IV - Bullet Seed/Seed Bomb
Meganium 1900CP 91 IV - Razor Leaf/Petal Blizzard
Venusaur 2000CP 84 IV - Vine Whip/Solar Beam
Venuaur 2300CP - 87 IV - Vine Whip/Solar Beam
Machamp 2400CP 96 IV - Counter/Dynamic Punch
I disagree. You can beat Omastar with Electric or Fighting, but it's easier with Grass. Solar Beam has a base 423.4 damage against Omastar, after STAB and double weakness. That's ridiculous, and anyone would be foolhardy not to take advantage of it. In contrast, Raikou's Wild Charge has base 151.2. So you have to hit with 2.5 Wild Charges to do the same damage as one Solar Beam, before Att/Def adjustments. Even after that, allowing for Raikou's higher attack, it's still probably better than 2 to 1.
You told him there's no other choice. There are several other choices. Perhaps the OP doesn't want to power up 6 grass mon with their wide array of weaknesses. 2 good Eggs, 2 good champs, 2 good Raikou would give him more variation in his team.
The screenshot above had confetti at 28 seconds left. Lots of room for variation here.
The person you replied to is someone else. The Raikous that could replace the 3 lower level Machamps are not significantly faster than Machamp, Raikou and Machamp cut it close but Zapdos is too slow even at level 39. In fact Raikou's actually worse but for arguments sake assume that they're on par with each other.
Therefore in order to have a team that can complete an Omastar raid, OP either swaps out his Machamps for any already-powered grasses if he has any, because swapping out for the Raikous would make no difference, or is required to power up other Pokemon, and in that case powering grasses is the more sensible option because of the lower cost.
Yeah he could spend ~200k and ~200 stardust taking a Raikou to the high 30s or he could power a grass type from 20 to 30 for less than half that cost. Even the crap grass-types like Sunflora or Tangela are still faster than Raikou.
Also he doesn't need 6 grass types, he already has 2 Exeggutors so 1, maybe 2 more would suffice if the goal is simply to complete the raid and not get it done as fast as possible.
As for the point about variation, why does it matter if you use different species of Pokemon? There are no bonuses for using different Pokemon. If you can't even get the raid done with your best Pokemon you should first think about getting it done before putting yourself at an intentional disadvantge.
"grass mon with their wide array of weaknesses"?
Raids are all about having specific counters, not just bringing 6 Dragonites with DT/O, so who cares about a weakness in a matchup that you shouldn't be using that Pokemon in the first place?
You're not going to use a grass type Pokemon against a fire type just like you wouldn't use a Raikou against a Rhydon or Golem so that argument is pointless.
While it is in theory doable with single effectiveness you need to power them up much higher while grasses don't even need to be level 30 and still do it with plenty of time to spare.
Also that screenshot doesn't prove anything. For all I know you could have led with grasses and then finished with Raikou - which you did, because the only Pokemon that have an expected time lower than 155 seconds are grass types even at level 40.
It's like saying Xatu is a viable Machamp counter because that one guy did it with 6 of them all maxed out and even then it was very close.
Why would you use a Pokemon that requires more investment and is still slower if you had the choice?
Grasses require less investment to make them viable and much better when they're at the same level as a very high level counter that only has single super effectiveness.
So for people that don't have large amounts of stardust and rare candies to max / near max multiple Raikou, they'll get the same performance or even better with a grass type that is only level 30.
So you strive to be average? Why increase 6 average mon to level 30 when you can max better mon of different types leading to more versatility.
This all goes back to you telling the OP he only has one option, which couldn't be further from the truth.
The grass mon and second Raikou weren't even needed.
