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Is this the end of generalist?

1.6 for SE damage now. How will generalist like SB Mewtwo, Rayquaza and Metagross stand in this new era? Are they worthy for continuing investment or specialist is the king now?

Asked by [email protected]5 years 4 months ago
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Dont think so, it also means pokemon with moves meant to super effect their coutners (things like Blissey with DG and ZH against machamp) or pokemon that naturally are weak to the pokemon they coutner (like gengar) take more damage. Metagross still stands tall as a great blissey coutner because the aforementioned machamp taking (as well as dealing more damage agaisnt blissey) more damage from those moves while metagross resists them harder. Rayquaza probably did take a hit, Mewtwo still is great because of great stats, though on release, Darkrai will be a much better anti-ghost/psychic specialist, though mewtwo is the superior generalist.

Generalists likely arent completely gone, but their utility has diminished. Generalists never were the best of what they fought against, they were great because they were useful in a lot of situations while specialists were either very expensive or limited usage, and that same thing still applies. Something like powering up a single pokemon for 80% of offense and being in the top 10 or one pokemon for say 5% of offense, but being top 1-3.

TL'DR, generalists arent over with, what made them great still makes them great, but it does put specialists above them more so

For PvP, it makes counter coverage more threatening

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This also means greater value for coverage moves, like Ancientpower in PvP for Rayquaza for example.

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A lot of people are too lazy to check whether their selected Tyranitar has Smackdown, Bite, Stone Edge, or Crunch. It mattered then, it REALLY matters now. Check stuff, then know stuff.

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They're not gone for gymming at the very least, especially as many of the generalists also have very high attack stats, like those you mentioned above. If you have high specialist counters however, their value is diminished.

Further, strong generalists will never be a bad option for raids. They just more clearly won't be the best options.

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Well, I leave all my Metagross fainted (ones above 2900), similar to what I started doing with Aggron...however, with Aggron I eventually traded away a level 35 with high IV...now I just have a low level Lucky Aggron. For PvP almost nobody is online to battle when I challenge them and I am rarely challenged, when I am it is not usually Master League. Raids and Gym autoselect likes it way too much, I do the same with Rock Tyranitar

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It might just mean a change (or addition) to who can be a great generalist now that they can carry 2 moves, providing even more coverage

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by daltry 5 years 4 months ago

Yes.

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I don t think so. As long as you are not taking se its all good, esp the first slot in pvp it is good to have something unlikely to take se while having wide coverage moves preferably with one of the broken fast moves and 3 bar non resisted charge moves. If u r forcrd to change out on your first mon you lose initiative and the match.

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Didn’t know specialists weren’t King

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This morning I had a tag-along average account that previously would benefit from using windy weather dragons when battling Cresselia...however, now it is clearly better using all super effective moves, regardless of any weather boost.

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by TTT 5 years 4 months ago

I wonder more how it affects SB mewtwo as a psychic counter.

Fast move is even more resisted, while charge move got equally stronger as other counters did. Net effect is a nerf relative to dark, bug and ghosts. However the only higher DPS (gengar) is also nerfed due to being weak to psychic. Does that push dark ttar's stock way up? Or does mewtwo still significantly out-dps it? What about dark weavile or honchcrow?

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PC/SB Mewtwo is tied for 4th highest available DPS counter to itself, assuming you only have one copy of each counter. As usual for psychics, any Gengar moveset rips it apart.

Tyranitar ties with Houndoom.

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by Pingo 5 years 4 months ago

I think PVP makes them even more powerfull.

I saw many Dragons and they all did well. Metagross is a beast and Mewtwo is on almost every Team (SB is best, maybe Ice Beam).

Normal damage is good enough if you resist the moves. Which is often the case with Dragons or Metagross.

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by zap 5 years 4 months ago

Perhaps you'd like to offer your input next time as well. My Mewtwo with focus blast works wonders against those foolish enough to bring their Tyranitar lol

I know high level players have invested a lot into "6 man Groudon teams"and such and are likely referring it now. I knew it wouldn't be thinking like that that would pace the way for me gameplay so all morning at those people now.

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