Azumarill: Muk, Minun, Meganium/Venusaur (beware of IB), Tentacruel, Lanturn, possibly Skarmory.
Metagross in Ultra: Charizard, Steelix, Umbreon, SC Giratina, Blastoise.
Metagross in Masters: Moltres and SB Mewtwo. Tyranitar wins if you have a shield, Kyogre and Gyarados probably have a favorable matchup.
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Azumeril and Metagross imbalanced?
Hi all! I am trying various combinations in PvP and noticed, that two mons are simply too powerful: Azumeril for Great League and Metagross for two others.
In my last fight Metagross was able to defeat Groudon easily, his best counter, IMHO. And Azumeril with its bulk and insane movepool is really fearsome too.
Any ideas how to properly counter these two?
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Well, Muk, Minun and Tentacruel do mot look like useful pokemon besides this matchup. Meganium/Venosaur will be heavily hit by IB (any point in not giving Azu two charged atacks?). Skarmory foes neutral damage. But Lanturn looks interesting, it can cover both electric and water requirements.
In Ultra if Metagross has Earthquake as second charge moove, then Steelix is off. Umbreon and Giratine will be annihilated by Meteor Mash. Blastoise doesn't hit effectively, so Earthquake will deal with it. Looks like only Charizard is valid.
In Master... Moltres and Mewtoo are simply too fragile, IMHO. Mewtoo was easily defeated by my Metagross many times. Tyranitar is heavily countered by steel type moveset of metagross. Kyogre is even worse than Groudon in this fight. But Gyarados looks interesting, I was already thinking about it.
Tentacruel actually scores really well in TDO, should have good matchups against Blastoise and Venusaur and probably wins Meganium if it has a shield for EQ. I haven't found one small enough to test it yet though. Muk and Minun are the best single type pokemon of their types, both should be decent. A-Muk is also an option, it wins Umbreon and is still advantaged against Azumarill.
Both players have 2 shields and Metagross is slow to charge EQ, which means that a Crunch Steelix has the advantage against it, also being a much tankier steel type than Metagross. You underestimate the tankiness of Umbreon and Giratina. I've fought Umbreon vs. Metagross a few times and Umbreon has a solid advantage because it's much, much tankier and dealing SE when Metagross is doing neutral. Blastoise resists the fast move and is dealing neutral damage with a move that's as good as Meteor Mash, which is better than EQ and consumes shields faster, solid advantage. Charizard is a real hard counter and eats Metagross alive, but it's not such a good pokemon otherwise. Countering steel and Meganium is basically the only reason to bring it, outside of that it feels more like a liability to have.
In Master Moltres vs. Metagross is the exact same as Ultra Charizard vs. Metagross, the fire/flying wins just by spamming its fast move because it resists everything. I already said Tyranitar wins if it has a shield. Both are dealing SE damage, but Tyranitar deals much better damage with its fast move so it wins the race easily if both are shielding. Either one gets OHKO'd by a charge move. EDIT: Forgot that Gary can get a double dark moveset so seems like a solid counter really. But it's only barely tankier than Mewtwo or Moltres, which you call too fragile.
MEtagross is counterable by a lot of pokemon, they just need the right moves in most cases. Water types with water moves can deal with metagross easily, they out bulk metagross with their resistance. I wouldn't say groudon is the best counter to metagross, as it doesnt hard counter metagross in the same way something like Moltres or bite/crunch gyarados does, resisting and super effecting metagross. Shadow ball mewtwo, double dark and even fireblast tyranitar, Ho-oh, Groudon, (in ultra league flygon and Meganium with earthquake), Kyogre, raikou hard resists its steel set but needs to watch out for earthquake, magnazone and garchomp will do well agaisnt it once released. Giratina with ghost moves also works fairly well
TL;DR i'd say top 3 metagross counters are SB mewtwo, Gyarados with bite and/or crunch and Tyranitar if you have shields left
Azumaril, venasaur and meganium counters it hard but needs to watch out for ice beam, megnaton and on release magnazone will do well, tentacruel, muk (both forms) Ampharos does well, its bulky.
Or any Electric type, for that matter. And Electabuzz and Ampharos will be more versatile, having access to non-Electric charge move as a secondary.
There's seriously not much going on for legendaries in the Great League, there's not a single one that can fit into the League and not have a non-legendary equivalent anyway.
For everyone's consideration, Kangaskhan in the great league as a metagross counter. Mud-slap as fast move, Earthquake and/or Crunch as a charge move(s). Level 20 falls right around the 1420-1450ish CP range, so minimal investment to be top of the CP range. If you were luck enough to hatch one during the event, it completely shreds metagross.
