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Will Mamoswine with Avalanche be worth maxing out (assuming exclusive move is not Ice-type)?

On gym offence, it will be the main counter to Dragonite (which is Tier 2 and very popular), Salamence and eventually Garchomp. Unfortunately, it is not a good counter to Grass-types, which deal super-effective damage back.

Being weak to both Machamp and Metagross holds it back as a gym defender.

How about raids? Of course, when Rayquaza returns, Mamoswine will shine, but how does it fare against the Lati twins and Giratina? I am not that familiar with future generations, but reading through Bulbapedia, I think Mamoswine would excel against Landorus, Thundurus and Zygarde. Not sure about Zekrom, Terrakion, Virizion and Yvetal, which are weak to many types.

PvP effectiveness would require a second charge move and is thus hard to evaluate until we know what its exclusive move will be.

Asked by hkn5 years 3 months ago

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Mamoswine is going to be an absolute force on offence. He will be a dragon slayer. He will outclass the Ice Type by a big margin, and will also do fairly well as a ground attacker.

In regards to Rayquaza he will absolutely destroy him with his 2x weakness to ice

Pokemon Go HUB has him listed in the top 10 counters for both Lati's.

Gunna be one to have multiple of, mostly Ice Movesets but also a couple as ground offence. (Team Fillers)

However the Community Move is yet to be released so all is subject to change, however the move will not change his status of true ice king

Lugia: Outclassed by Rampardos, Gengar, and 3 best electrics.
Zapdos: Second best after Rampardos.
Giratina and Latis: Outclassed by the 6 best dragons as well as Gengar.

It will be a supreme counter to some future bosses and a good to great counter to a lot of other bosses. As such I would say it's a good candidate for maxing to many players.

No, but it would be worth taking it to level 38.5.

My point is that "maxing" it is completely arbitrary. As I've said before, powering up pokemon does not have to be all-or-nothing. Is there some specific use you will get out of it at L40 that you wouldn't get at, say, L37? If not, maybe the 56 candies and 78K stardust needed to power it up those last three levels would better spent elsewhere. For example, taking a second Mamoswine from L20 to L30 would give a much bigger performance gain

Is it worth maxing, as opposed to what? Leaving it at level 15 or 20 or ???, and without considering any possible middle ground?

The question really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless you have some specific breakpoint/bulkpoint you are talking about attaining.

The fact that Mamoswine turns Rayquaza into an easy duo even after the raid boss buff makes it worth maxing in my eyes. According to the DPS/TDO chart it clears 50DPS in snowy weather - in theory this makes a weather boosted solo possible, but I'm guessing it would be very close and require being fast with the re-entry.

Landorus and Zygarde both share double weakness to ice, making it the supreme pick there. It currently has the EDIT: *second highest (forgot to change weather from snow to extreme) DPS against Thundurus and has the added benefit of resisting its electric attacks. Other dragons have higher DPS than it against Zekrom but it gets points for doubly resisting any potential electric attacks and not being weak to any dragon ones.

Against Reshiram and Terrakion it will be outclassed unless it gets a completely busted ground-type move for community day. Dragons, Rampardos, and SD Tyranitar are all better picks against Reshiram. Terrakion has a swath of better counters including MM Metagross, Machamp, and Kyogre.

Virizion has a double flying weakness where Honchkrow is the superior pick. Mamoswine is behind Rampardos, Electivire, and Raikou against Yveltal, but 4th best is still pretty good. Deoxys-N is also faster but realistically only madmen would use it.

TDLR: Max that mammoth!!!

Tbh, seeing how it's boosted by clear/sunny weather, which is fairly common, most people may not even have to invest much if they get a lvl 35 weather boosted Swinub.

Ray even post-buff is so soft to ice that you don't even need Mamoswines to turn it into an easy duo. According to PB, teams of level 30 Weaviles/Mewtwos clears it without friend bonuses, level 30 Piloswines/Cloysters are enough with BF.

Mamoswine turns it from an easy duo into a trivial duo.

Yes.

WHEN will it be worth maxing out? I'm not sure. It's going to be the premier Ice attacker for the next 2+ years or longer, seeing how Niantic is dragging out releasing each Generation.

But when will Ice Attackers be required again? I don't know. So maybe now isn't a good time to power up a Mamoswine. I'm probably going to do it anyway as I'm sitting on 6 93-98% IV's (4 with Attach 15, 2 of them Lucky), but that's because I really like Elephants and Mammoths. (One of my fav Pokémon is Donphan, for example. I have one that I toss in gyms on an almost daily basis, even if I can toss a Snorlax or Blissey into the gym. Most people have Blisslax, so it keeps that coveted spot free for them.) But as for immediate usefulness? There really isn't any.

My L37 96% IS/A Weavile has a time to win against Rayquaza of 404.0 seconds, with 22 deaths, in a no-dodging scenario. A perfect 100% L37 PS/A Mamoswine has a time to win of 392.8 seconds, with 18 deaths. So, Mamoswine has very slightly higher DPS than Weavile, with very slightly better survivability.

Mamoswine is indeed better in most scenarios...but not by much. It is not a huge game-changer, compared to Weavile.

I honestly think the reason they are giving Mamoswine a special move is that people are so illogically hyped up about it, that Niantic is afraid people will be disappointed when they see its performance is barely above Weavile's. So, they are buffing Mamoswine to give people the clear ice champion they desperately crave.

I'm looking at the DPS/TDO chart here and I'm not sure how ~7% higher DPS (Mamo 44.835 vs Weav 41.749) and ~22% more TDO (Mamo 645.2 vs Weav 504.4) only counts as "very slightly".

I'm looking at actual raid simulations, and the Mamoswine takes 2.85% less time* to win against Rayquaza, and dies 18 times instead of 22. In the universe of ice attackers, relatively speaking, the two are very close. There is little that a team of Mamoswines can do that a team of Weaviles can't.

*edit: I originally said the Mamoswine takes 2.85% longer; that was a mistake on my part.