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Rhydon with Rock Smash

I finally got to evolve my first Rhydon, quite exciting as it came out at 2399 CP! He has Rock Smash + Earthquake as a moveset and 87% IVs.

I can't decide if I should power him as a beastly attacker or not (also keeping in mind that I don't have any strong Fighting mons). Is Mud Slap that much better?

Asked by lorma967 years 5 months ago
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Yep, mud is better because of STAB, but even without STAB, mud would be a bit better.

Difficult to say, at least your Rhydon came with Earthquake... mine came with Megahorn :/

Try to kill some snorlax to see if it fits you

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Leave it as is and try killing some Snorlax in gyms. I have a Rock Smash/Stone Edge that I use exclusively for Snorlax.

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It's not as good, but far from awful, and to be honest I don't find Megahorn unusable.

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Megahorn kick Eggy's ass as long as it doesn't has a grass charged move (or you can effectively dodge them)

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Ditto he's a good counter to psychic move Slowbros. Just avoid those with ice/water.

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It is good. Don't bother going for another. Rock smash is decent and earthquake with stab hit very hard even before the buff. Enjoy it.

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Is Mud Slap / Earthquake the best moves or Mud Slap / Stone Edge? Everyone is saying Stone Edge trumps Earthquake, game press ranks Earthquake ahead.

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Nothing in it IMO - I've got both and can't say one does significantly worse. Megahorn isn't generally as good but still does decent damage to the right opponents.

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Thx. I have one with Mud Slap / Earthquake that I think I'm going to go ahead and power up then.

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I think they are fairly close. I personally like Stone Edge, especially when you see it come up and smack a fat Snorlax... BOOM!

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I think it's just a matter of typing coverage for an attacker. For defense though, I prefer SE just in case someone would use Dragonite or Lapras against it, plus it's harder to dodge.

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by TopDog 7 years 5 months ago

Mud slap generates 9 energy per attack and smash only 7. On both DPS and energy your looking at 20% less damage on the quick move and using the charge move 20% less. Since both quick moves will only allow one attack between dodges over time thats gonna be significant.
Only against types weak to fighting is when rocksmash is nearly equal to MS. With the overabundance of Ryhorns Id definitely wait for a high CP(lvl 25+) high IV(90%+) one with the best moveset. Mayb evolve high CP low IV ones for now until you find one that fits the bill.

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Considering I just managed to grind 50 candies today, I wouldn't say there's an overabundance of Rhyhorns for me haha! My next best one that I can evolve is a 1100CP 75%IV one, but at this rate it's probably gonna happen a couple of months from now.

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In Los Angeles Geodudes, Growlithe and Ryhorns are ridiculously common I mean they are everwhere. Most def you have to play the game according to your region..

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I got very lucky on my evolve. I got burned on so many others, it was nice to hit this 98% dude. Tears through pretty much anything. I will power him a bit more as I catch Rhyhorns. They are not that common here but not super rare either.

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For overall attacking Mud Slap Rhydon is better, but Rock Smash Rhydon is the best counter to Snorlax (the only uncounterable pokemon in the game until now) due to Rock Smash super effective attack and Rhydon's bulk and resistence to Body Slam and Hyperbeam, you just need to be aware to dodge any possible Earthquake, but the chances are low.

So i prefer Rock Smash because of it. :)

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I believe Mud Slap is a better move, even considering Rock Smash's super effectiveness into Snorlax. The way I understand it, Rock Smash on Rhydon is considered desirable only against Snorlax or other normal types. Since it doesn't have STAB, it's suboptimal for any other match-up.

But to make sure I'm understanding how STAB and super effective moves work (and am doing the math right): They both get the same bonus of 1.25x. So Mud Slap gets the STAB bonus (base DPS of 11.11 x 1.25 = 13.89). Rock Smash gets the SE bonus ONLY against normal types (base DPS of 10.64 x 1.25 = 13.3). So if I'm understanding the way it works correctly, then they're both pretty close only when going against normal types. But even then, Rock Smash has a slightly longer cooldown and generates less energy.

I think I just bummed myself out because the only kind of Rhydon I seem to be able to evolve has Rock Smash (I've had 5 so far). Earlier today, I had just about convinced myself to power mine up as a Snorlax killer. But I think I'll wait for luck to be on my side eventually.

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The moveset is ok. I always use my Rhydon with this moveset to beat Snorlax and it work really well the battle end faster and have more hp left than I use other mon.

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think people are wildly overrating mudslap over rocksmash. it all comes down to a few questions. 1. how do you intend to use it? as an attacker or defender 2. what level are you and how high can you make it. why do i ask this....rhydon is an absolutely terrible defender. id never leave mine in a gym. its double weak to water among others and can be destroyed in seconds. to me this means rhydon is more of an attacker. and a great one at that. given that rhydon is THE ONLY pokemon with the first ever advantage to snorlax how could you possibly not take advantage of that. forget all the other pokemon it might face. im sure you have others that can take them. how often do you get a pokemon that can rip a snorlax. before powering up my rhydon---it has rock smash and stone edge- it was at 2100 and it DESTROYED a 2750 snorlax. yes you read that correctly. the battle wasnt close. so it really comes down to how you intend you use it but given how snorlax has almost no weak counters other than rhydon why not take adv of the change to get a pokemon that can finally slaughter any snorlax in the way. dont take the ratings too literally.

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i should mention i have a few other rhydons with the "optimal moveset" and they dont do nearly as well as well vs snorlax. ive tested both out

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How so?

As I've stated, my only Rhydon has RS/E, and I've also used it to take down quite a few Snorlax. But both mathematically and type coverage-wise, Mud Slap should still be a better move, even against Snorlax. I would love to be convinced otherwise. Then, I could pump my candies into the one I have instead of continuing to grind for another one with the optimal move set.

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