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Prestiger Ranking Methodology

I have been trying to decide which are the best prestigers for the big gym guys. In particular, I am looking at double ice, electric, water, grass, and bug mons. I was debating a couple ideas and am hoping for more input on my present thoughts

First, I would compare mons at equal CP, not level. Assume they all have 10/10/10 IV. For instance, for grass, a sunflora at CP 1500 (good cp to atrack Vaporeon, rhydon) would be a much higher level than exeggutor.

I would simulate them all in battle against thr same opponent assuming decent success of dodge all (common for prestige). To measure the result, I would record HP lost and percentage of HP remaining. Time doesn't seem as important to prestigers as to attackers. The HP lost is a measure of efficiency and the percentage remaining gives an idea of how many such attackers one prestigers could handle.

Before I undertake this:
Do the metrics seem right to use to make conclusions?
Would you use other mons in the comparison (exeggutor with extrasensory and solar beam, for instance)?
Are there simulators to handle hidden power (i.e. starmie with HP steel, grass, water attacking a rhydom)?
Is gamepress doing something like this or have they already done it and I missed it? Don't want to reinvent the wheel. If it is in progress, can I help?

Asked by pantanimal7 years 1 month ago
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by razvan 7 years 1 month ago

It is a correct methodology, but do you need to do it?
Did you saw this: https://www.pokebattler.com/prestige/defenders/DRAGONITE/cp/3070/prestige/1000/strategies/DODGE_SPECIALS/DEFENSE?sort=OVERALL#results ?

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The answer to best prestigers is almost more important and has more factors to take into account than strictly best Offense/Defense. If you live in a place where you can consistently catch 900 CP – 1500 CP decent prestigers, I think it is more economical to just use these and throw them away regardless of whatever they are. I live in an area with a ton of Piloswine/Swinub, Sneasel, Marill/Azumaril. So I usually just catch a bunch of them after work, label them strictly by their move types (and IV if they actually are a keeper), and use them on my gym runs in the morning. Whoever faints, is tossed. I have a few niche that I will actually heal (Jolteon, Espeon, Venusaur). But aren’t the best prestigers just going to be lower level versions of the best attackers?

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I think the biggest thing to consider is how easily can you get lower levels of the top attackers? Outside of the Eevees, I'm not wasting candies on a lower level elite attacker. Sometimes something like Venusaur might be in the perfect range, but a lot will not be. I find the best prestigers to be those around the 1200-1300 range at level 20. I use an army of Tangela, Wigglytuffs, Magneton, Forettress, a 1200 cp Lapras and Snorlax, and a couple 1200 cp Butterfree. The only thing that messes that up is Blissey...

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No. One of the most important considerations for attackers is that they have high total stats. This isn't important for prestigers. For prestigers, it is better to have them be tankier, since you want them to be the best they can for their CP. Since stamina and defense rate less heavily in the CP formula than attack, you want pokemon higher in these stats and lower in attack.

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I haven't seen any simulations like this, but there is a spreadhsheet on CP efficiency.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/duplicates/5v88qm/cp_efficiency_spreadsheet_updated_with_gen_2/

If you run these simulations, I'd be interested to hear about them.

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