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Mamoswine not that strong?

Maybe with the new stat boost it might be interesting, but right now it's kind of underwhelming.
I fought against one in the Masters league, to be frank in not sure what level it was, but I'd imagine someone with 100,000 Pokemon caught would level it up to Max for a master's PvP.
Anyway, it fought my perfect Lugia, a Pokemon who's weak to both its fast and charge attacks, and lost pretty badly.
I guess I'm not impressed with it?
My community day is coming shortly, so I'll evolve a few (Igot 26 stones, and haven't gathered my free 10 for today yet), but I can't understand why anyone would want 6 of them.
Thoughts?

Asked by zap5 years 2 months ago

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Mamoswine shines in raids/PvE not PvP. It's the best ice attacker in the game.

Lugia has the highest TDO in the game right now. It should survive Mamoswine even if it's weak to both it's fast and charge moves

Rayquaza for example is trash in PvP but that does not in any way means that it's not a strong pokemon.

Edit: After performing some quick tests, in a no shields 1v1 battle between a Lugia and Mamo, both perfect IV and same level, the matchups Mamoswine loses against is Lugia with HydroPump or Future Sight.

In conclusion, OP, a pokemon performing badly in 1 uneven battle, does not make it bad by stretch of the imagination. You are welcome, of course, to disagree.

What you say about Mamoswine is true, but Lugia is still a matchup that Mamoswine should win. Either it wasn't leveled up very much or wasn't using Powder Snow/Avalanche.

In that case, the Mamoswine that OP faced is a much lower level than their Lugia.

According to pvpoke.com, with both using 0 or 1 shields, Lugia wins, while Mamo only barely wins if both use 2 shields. Lugia has 60% higher neutral TDO, a difference apparently large enough to turn the battle even though it's facing SE attacks from Mamoswine.

Thats clearly wrong.

Charging 2 avalanches is faster than charging 1 hydro pump or perhaps equal since its probably turn 24 for both. 2 avalanches will kill the lugia. Future sight and Sky Attack wont kill the Mamoswine with just 1. The 3rd avalanche will clearly pop off before Lugia can do another charge move. So how does lugia win with 0 or 1 shields used?

It takes 8 DT to charge HP, ie. 24 turns. Mamoswine takes 6 PS to charge an Av, ie. 12 turns. It's not faster to charge 2 Avalanche, it's exactly as fast. Firing the first Avalanche takes a turn though, so Lugia gets off HP before the second Avalanche.

The 1 shield situation is mildly incorrect, since pvpoke assumes always successfully bluffing. Mamo can tank a SA, so it wins if it guesses correctly which of Lugia's charge attacks is the HP, albeit with only 23hp left, and loses if it guesses wrong.

Sims are rarely completely wrong, especially no shields situations tend to be 100% correct. How they should handle bluffing charge moves is still an open question.

The trainer used both avalanche (which did maybe 20% damage? As well as ancient power.

One Avalanche should take nearly half of Lugias health. Their Mamo was either pitifully low level or they didn't fully charge their Avalanche by tapping.

With PVP, raids, and gyms all being very different things, we need to evaluate a pokemon on each thing separately. Very few pokemon are great at everything. Many pokemon that are great at PVP are worthless outside of it.

As far as raids go, Mamoswine is easily the best ice pokemon. You don't need much investment, I'm taking the 5 highest level ones I got and making an ice team. My number 6 is my perfect level 40 Lapras...so yeah.

They're the best ice pokemon, unchallenged for all 7 generations. Allows for an easy duo of Rayquaza even with a team of level 30 Mamoswines.

Kyurem?

Doesnt learn avalanche, it would need glaciate, as well as the 9% nerf will be a thing for it

Glaciate isn't strong in main games. Like Lati@s' signature moves, its main use is the secondary effect (lower target's speed, which isn't applicable to PoGO).

A move being strong or not in the main series isn't a basis for if it will be good in Go or not. The starter CD moves are all Hyper Beam clones in the main series which aren't worth using, yet all three have different properties in Go and are among the best moves in the game. Conversely, Close Combat is a great main series move that got shafted in Go.

Mamoswine X Kyurem duel for the Ice Throne will be just like Kyogre X Palquia was for the Water Throne. But In my view Mamoswine might edge out Kyurem most of the time, though Kyurem will have highter stats compared to Mamoswine, not considering the possible nerf and his white/black forms.

Just like Palquia, none of Kyurem's forms learns any of the Ice-type fast moves in the GO game. This will most likely hinder Kyurem's perfomance to take over the throne.

However one thing that differ Palquia from Kyurem are his signature moves. Palquia's "Spacial Rend" is Dragon-type, while 3 of Kyurem's signature's are Ice-type, specially "Freeze Shock" and "Ice Burn". But we can't know for sure how those moves will be implemented in the game, since even Kyogre's and Groudon's signature moves, though coded in the game, are yet to be shown how they will be implemented.

We would have to wait and see how Niantic will handle those things. But we can rest assured that Mamoswine is the best ice-type in the game and will continue to be a solid option even if Kyurem is better, thanks for the former being a commom mon and the latter having legendary status. After all, there is no other ice-type in the core series that can challenge those two.

Perfectly logical .... I battled it once with a perfect legendary and won so the best ice attacker in the game must suck... what a moron

The OP's post is far from moronic, given that Lugia is weak to both powder snow and avalanche (which will be charged up well before Lugia's hydro pump. Your response, however, is quite moronic, unhelpful, and unnecessary, as usual.

Why hasn't this idiot been banned yet?

Keep reporting him.

This makes a better case for having an option to disallow legendaries in pvp than Mamo being bad.

Tyranitar doesn't seem to have much trouble taking down my Lugia. Guess that means legendaries + Tyranitar.

No, i fought a lugia with mamoswine today and it wiped out over half of the lugia's health instantly. He might be not tapping with full power or his pokemon is just underleveled.

Why would he only give half an effort, especially when there was so much glory riding on that battle?

One of the few people that have challenged me 5+ times the past several weeks, did so once yesterday. Great league...he started with a Golbat, me a shiny Metagross. Instantly he switched to a Clefable. Next his Feraligatr killed my Metagross, then my B/OR Gyarados canceled out the Feraligatr. Lastly my Lugia beat the original Golbat. I tried to fight him again but he refused. I was awake opening gifts at 5am, it was an unknown time where he was (Japan).

I really wanted to battle him 10 straight times to finally decide who was the true champion, but I guess he might have been pressed for time