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Choosing Fast Moves

besides type effectiveness, what do you consider for picking fast moves?? base power or energy charge??

for example vine whip vs. razor leaf...
vine whip has base power of 5 & energy at 8
razor leaf has 11 power & 4 energy...

would you pick razor leaf to whittle down the opponent's hp to 50% & possibly beating them without using charge moves or vine whip's high energy charge & spam the opponent with charge moves & waste their shields??

Asked by aQuaDuDe125 years 2 months ago
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Base power and energy charge mean nothing if you don't take into account the duration of the moves. You want to look at Damage per Turn and Energy gain per Turn, or per duration. The choice then depends on your available charge moves and how the different moveset combinations perform in the key matchups you expect to play. Many pokemon only have one viable fast move because there's so much difference in performance.

In your example, VW has 2,5 DPT and 4 EPT, while RL has 5,5 DPT and 2 EPT. For Venusaur and Meganium with FP, both are good options. For nearly any other grass mon I'd recommend RL because that DPT is insane.

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by zap 5 years 2 months ago

It depends on your overall strategy. Maybe you have other Pokemon who already have low-cost charge attacks, so you just want to do damage with this fast attack and maybe get a charge attack in late. Or maybe it's vice versa.

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Razor leaf was just buffed to high heaven. It's the single most damaging move in PVP currently.

I was always of the mindset to burn their sheild early and sweep thru with heavy hitters. Razor leaf has become so strong if you are resisting your opponents hits and dealing super effective damage you can easily tear thru one, two, and very close to the third mon if they made bad type choices.

My bellosom did a mean sweep to a kaiogre and groudon yesterday, managed to burn both shields and stick retained one of my own. Even fired off an additional leaf blade to the third mon before fainting.

If bellosom can do that, I'm certain a 'good' mon could have gotten thru the third.

While I still prefer moves like mud shot and fury cutter its hard to ignore razor leaf and confusion since the recent buff.

Try them both out for yourself

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Exactly that. Further, when you have a fast move that does tons of damage (SE or not), it can't be shielded. Suppose some pokemon had the Uber fast move, say a dragon move that did 8 base damage per turn (or 16 d/s). Except against fairies and steel, you wouldn't even bother using the charged moves - that uber fast move would shred everything else in its way.

I used to be totally committed to high Energy per turn, to get the damaging charged moves off sooner. But when you see what moves like Bite, Dragon Breath, and Counter (never mind the crazy strong Razor Leaf) can do, it's scary. They require a bit more skill, as you aren't told during the battle that they are Super Effective, you just have to notice that Vigoroth (Counter) is doing tons of damage to your Snorlax or whatever else you are using that's weak to Fighting, etc.

Mystic Boss Fred: a hint - that 'good' mon is named Grotle. Deadly.

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