GamePress

All Choked Up -- Machamp v. Blissey

Hey Fellow G’Pressers!

I need your help getting a more effective counter to Blissey. So far I've been using my Dragonite (legacy DP/DC), but want to use a fighting 'mon. I haven’t evolved a Machamp yet, but can now. First, I’d like at least 1 high CP Machamp for attacking Blisseys on other teams. Second, assuming I get a good moveset for the first Machamp, do you think it would be good or bad to get a lower CP Machamp to prestige against Blisseys that are at the bottom of gyms that I want to get into? The local Blisseys range from CP1800-3000.

Okay, we have 226 Machop candies to spend and a savings of 525K stardust. How would you do it? I am a Level 31 (almost 32) trainer. The chart below shows my inventory of Machops and single Machoke, with the last column being the estimated Machamp CP after evolution without powering up. (I hope the formatting is not too horked-up.)

(read: CP, Lvl, IV, A/D/S, Machamp CP (est.))

Machoke
1075 20 91 14/13/14 1882

Machop
830 28 44 5/1/14 2124
820 27 56 3/8/14 2074
786 25 71 3/5/14 1959
753 23 84 9/14/15 1848
752 23 76 15/9/10 1842
700 22 62 13/9/6 1729
659 20 85 12/12/14 1613
659 20 82 14/10/13 1613

Thanks in advance for your input!

Asked by tri-guy7 years 1 month ago
Report

Answers

Okay, we have 226 Machop candies to spend

So you basically have two tries.
(1) Machoke, if not desired moveset:
(2) best iv-machop, number 4 looks good.

Up
0
Down

With current movesets, given cooldowns/dodging, damage and energy per second, which are usable?

Quick: Bullet Punch looks the best, but Counter seems okay.

Charge: Close Combat looks best and Dynamic Punch seems okay.

Is that right?

Up
0
Down

Both Fight / Fight movesets are great. The others are much weaker, they lack STAB and lack SE in Blissey- / or Snorlax-Matchup.

Best moveset: C / DP.
Second best moveset: C / CC

other movesets: not worth the dust, imo.

Up
0
Down

You mentioned Blissey. Between that and STAB, you want counter. I think you'd prefer DP over CC, but either works.

With the right moveset, machop number 4 should be a good prestiger against blissey. Remember, with the fat lady, you really only aim for ~600 prestige.

Up
0
Down

BP is steel type, you don't want the steel type. Champ won't benefit from STAB and definitely won't get SE vs Blissey.
Not sure how you are analyzing this. I'm not going to say transfer your machamp if you get a BP moveset, but it'll make a yuge difference.

Up
0
Down

My gosh -- you're right! I had (incorrectly) assumed Bullet Punch was a fighting move, not a steel one. (It being a "punch" and all.) Yes, I'd prefer the STAB for the super effective damage.

Up
0
Down

Unless I'm missing something I'd do your 91% Machoke. 14/13/14 is pretty good. If you get a good moveset I'd power up that baby as your Blissey slayer.

Never used a lower Machamp for prestige so can't comment there. I usually use an Exeggutor vs Blissey for prestige - especially if the blissey has psychic moves (Egg resists). I have a range of 4 different 'Cuters from 1400cp-2250CP I use for prestige.

I love my eggs.

EDIT - generally prestiging vs Blissey I assume that I will not be getting the full 1000exp and pick an Egg that can take down the blissey. Usually try for around 600-700 prestige and I may have to do it a few times. Just like old school prestige when you only got 500 per try.

Up
0
Down

What movesets do your Eggs have against Blissey? Do they timeout? Most of the attacking mons I've tried, like Vapes, Arcanines and Gary, tend to timeout.

Up
0
Down

The main two I use for prestige vs high Blisseys are:

2251CP - C/Solar Beam. This guy hits like a truck. Crushes Blisseys. Only dodge charge moves. If its 2900CP+ its close but usually can just get in under the time limit. I actually want to power this guy up fully as he would have a CP over 2650 and be my main attacker but he's so good for prestiging.

2027 - ZH/Solar Beam - another great Egg for prestiging vs higher Blisseys.

Up
0
Down

No, I don't think you're missing anything....The main reason I'm hesitant to evolve the Machoke (IV91%) or other Level 20 (if I got a crappy moveset on the Machoke) is to conserve somewhat scarce candies and stardust. Thanks!

Up
0
Down

Ummm. But 250 machoke candy cant defeat a Blissey. A machamp can.

I mean if you just hoard the candy and never use it, then the chance of getting a good machamp is 0.

Up
0
Down

haha, very true! ...but it'd be a shorter haul to power up some of the higher level, lower IV champs instead. Just considering options.

Up
0
Down

Ursaring is better at trainning against a blissey than machamp as he can have counter/cross combat without taking 25% extra dmg from ZH or DG/Psy.

Attacking gym wise, ursaring is slower ofc, but he is a lot easier to come by than machamp.

Up
0
Down

DB/DC may not kill Blissey as quickly as Machamp, but you'll probably retain a greater % of HP -- especially if Blissey has Zen Headbutt.

Up
0
Down

It is not easy to prestige against Blissey ( especially with ZH/DG ) if u are intending to use half-CP way to gain 1000 pts. Dun think the machamp can survive even if u dodged all her charged moves if u intend to 1v1.

Best is to use same level as the Blissey, and since Machamps have lower CP than a Blissey at same level, u can get more than 500 pts. That being said, even at same level, u can't miss a DG dodge if u wanna 1v1 the fight.

C/DP and C/CC are both good against Blisseys/Snorlaxes.

Up
0
Down