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WTF Niantic?? From Stone Edge to Crunch need 25 CTM!!

I was prepare my Ttar for Mewtwo counter army. All 4 my Ttar was Stone Edge.
So I decide to change the last two Ttar to Crunch, but I spent 25 CTM! It was just jumping from Fire Blast to Stone Edge and reverse! This is f-king crazy. Niantic you must change this f-king CTM system!!

What about you guys?
have you ever had same bad experience about using these Charge TM?

Asked by hilmanefef6 years 6 months ago

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no, but i would have thrown my phone in the river.

I was already kick a garbage near in me. I was really really mad tbh!!!

...why would you even bother? Bite/stone edge is good enough.

At least I want my best 4 Ttar have 2 Stone Edge and 2 Cruncy mate.
You know, I'm boring enough with Stone Edge when raiding / fighting.

Not a bother, I only use 1 ~2 CTM to get what I want. It's just 50% for every change, men.

Yup.
At the beginning I believe I can achieve cruncy for first - second attempt, but..

I stoped after 6. Several days later worked from first one.

Yep
Switching those you do not want. After 5 TM I quit. Trying to got futureS my espeon. But after week I got it with first try. Maybe wrong moment?

I was so tempted to get cruncy. But at least I got my top ttar got cruncy and my CTM left 1.

25!? I would have waited a few hours after using two. There is no way it is totally random.

Niantic must repair this RNG.
This one really hurting, I believe there are still many trainer had same this bad experience like me.

25 CTM is about 80-100x raids

I feel like you have no idea about random number generators or statistics. Sure, that's abysmal luck, but that's also an outlier from the norm. For most of us, 1~3 CTMs will do it. Eventually something like this has to happen. Heck, I spent 7 CTMs on my Tyranitar to get Crunch before I knew that Stone Edge was fine too, but none of my other TM usages have required more than 4. That's randomness, baby.

Ouch! I feel your pain but I think MithrosFall is right.

Even though I've been stung in the past – not as bad as that, I admit! – I really like the RNG. Loads of great games throughout history have had an element of luck and players have to take the rough with the smooth.

The alternatives are being stuck with whatever you're given (old system) or being able to choose your moves which would make the game boring IMO because so many people would have similar mons.

Yep, Mithos has it. Every CTM used on a non-legacy move (when the mon has 3 charged moves) has a 50% chance of getting you the move you desire, and 50% of getting the other. The best use of a CTM is in a case where the charged move is 1 bad one with two good ones, as in Tyranitar with Fire Blast. CTM gives you either Stone Edge (very good) or Crunch (very good).

Now, to have 25 CTMs not give you the move you want is a (0.5)^25 chance, or 1 in 33,554,432. You hit the unlucky lottery, pal. Here's the reality.

The next TM you use has a 50% chance of getting you crunch. So does the one after that. The 25 that have happened are in the past, and don't affect the odds going forward - if we assume the process is fair.

One of the things I want is a Typhlosion with Fire Spin and Overheat. My fourth evolve, and I have two with Solar Beam and two with Fire Blast (Flame Blast, whatever). Next one has a 1/3 chance of getting Overheat. (Mind you, this isn't really relevant to the strategic game. I just want one cause it's fun for me, and I'm not spending TMs on Typhlosion.) Odds are odds, do a little math. With the number of pogo players out there, there will be a number of stories of people defying the odds - and sadly, you're one of them on this issue.

This...if you keep getting the same moves, then stop after 2 or 3 CTM - then try again a few hours later, at a different time of the day.

RNG stills uses a bunch of variables to generate a random number, and it costs nothing to try to change what could be one of those variables (time)

there is still no proof about that.
it is just randomly number, nobody knows and only pokemon go developers team know

Even if time of day is not one of the seeds for the RNG, waiting a bit would allow your temper to cool down and give you some time to go check some websites for ratings to see how much better that charge move you want really is.

Stone Edge vs Crunch on Tyranitar is probably not worth that many TMs. Find some friends to do some more Tyranitar raids.

There are other moves that have much more significant differences. I spent about six charge TMs for Wild Charge on Raikou. I think that beast was well worth it and I enjoy every time I use it. That also offsets some of the times I have gotten the charge move I wanted with only one charge TM.

That's RNG, not Niantic

And the pokemon go RNG Algorithm made by niantic right?

The code may slightly differ from what other developers wrote, but they will have used something common.
Like taking a pretty precise timestamp the moment you touched OK. Then took the last five digits and distributed this number to three. The results 0, 1 and 2 would refer to one of the possible chargemoves.
In this case the daytime doesn't matter since you need only the mirco- and milliseconds. That would change if they for example choose the first or second cross sum of the timestamp to go on with.
However, i bet they invented nothing new.

Ouch.. that hurts.

Odds of 10 charge tms failing to get the move you want are 1024-1, you were even more unlucky than that. RNG really is a clown sometimes.

It is not like you can solo Mewtwo. In a group raid Stone Edge vs Crunch makes very little difference.

I have a 100% B/C that is level 33, my 4 other Tyranitars are level 30-31, the computer preferred my B/SE Tyranitars to my higher level+iv B/Cs against Mewtwo Shadowball. Maybe for the better capacity to dodge, which in a good number of cases dodging a special or two a good idea

People are wasting so. many. resources. preparing for Mewtwo. Unless you're in a very specific, player-poor area, stop throwing away your stardust and rare, valuable TMs trying to optimize these great green, Dark armies. It's just not going to be that hard. And neither is the post-battle catch rate. The level of resources simply isn't commensurate with this niche use.