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What uses for what movesets

So im wonder what to do with all the mewtwo I will eventually be catching this month.

I know for a fact im never going to have a need for any with psychic (only real use is machamp raids which after getting 4 93+, 15 atk wild machop ontop of my other 2 good ones, I will not need to do and terrakion's a *long* ways away ontop of having a ton of exploitable weaknesses) which also effectively removes the need for focus blast

So what will the uses for the other moves against potential returning legendaries like the weather trio, beasts, etc. I know ice beam's garbage in most cases, but how well would it do vs double ice weak dragons like rayquaza or thunderbolt vs Kyogre/Suicune? Situations like that.

Asked by MetagrossMaxis5 years 7 months ago
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Ice Beam is far from garbage. While it's no Avalanche it's usually tied with Blizzard for performance on any ice type that can learn both. Ice Beam makes Mewtwo the strongest ice type attacker currently in the game. Mamoswine is likely to oust it, assuming Niantic doesn't conspire against the brown woolly.

Thunderbolt puts Mewtwo as the 3rd best electric attacker behind Raikou and TS Zapdos. While that makes it currently better than all non-legend electric attackers that could change with Gen 4's release.

Flamethrower is the Hyper Beam of the new moves. It's better than other fire types in a generalist sense but when weather and specialist factors play in it takes a back seat to the usual suspects.

I'd like to stick an Ice Beam one on my ice type roster for variety's sake. Hitting hard while lacking the typical ice type weaknesses is pretty dope.

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Interesting. I was hearing from every that ice beam was terrible because its start up time, seeing how its actually good, and my current lack of ice types, might be useful.

Might power up a thunderbolt one, all my raikou are level 15 and also dont have IV's worth spending candy on (all have atk of 10, raikou does not want me to like it) and I only have maybe 2 zapdos i'd consider spending RC on in the event that gen IV electric types arent good for suicune usage

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Ice Beam being 2 bar gives it some advantages over Blizzard.

Suicune isn't exactly something you need to rack your brain over. With middling attack and very poor moves outside Hydro Pump and the now legacy Hidden Power you don't have much to worry about. Thunderbolt Mewtwo is still the 3rd best counter to it and performs about as well as Frenzy Plant Venusaur. Maybe trying to roll a lucky Raikou would be a better option.

The best advice though is power up what you actually have an immediate need for. With zero idea of when the Johto beasts will return to raids they're not even a blip on my radar for preparation.

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For Electrics, wait until Gen4. Magnezone and Electivire might bring Zapdos/Raikou level performance to the table without requiring rare candy. Might being the key word here.

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True, but I think the Gen 4 possibilities have been beaten into our heads enough to where it can be assumed without being directly mentioned.

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At the moment, Mewtwo with Ice Beam looks to be the best overall Ice attacker in the game. Jynx still has better DPS, and others beat it in TDO, but it ranks very highly in both categories. However, there isn't much call for it at the moment and there are a few Gen 4 mons that are likely to surpass it.

With Thunderbolt, it's very good but Raikou and Zapdos are better. With Flamethrower, it fall quite behind the pack but it's still fairly reasonable.

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My gut feeling, not backed up by any numbers, is that Mewtwo is now the Swiss Army Knife Pokemon. Can do many jobs well, but few of them optimally.

C/P is still best Psychic attacker, and there will be uses for that down the line. I'll be replacing the one I TM'd to Shadow Ball last week.

Focus Blast is the same - pretty good, but Machamp can do the job too, and without using Rare Candy. Unpleasant to fight against, best countermove against Ttar.

PC/IB isn't terrible - in fact, it's probably best Ice attack right now, despite lack of STAB and lack of an ice quick move. That's only because most Ice attackers aren't that good at attacking. Mamoswine should be better, but if they give it crap moves (or no ice charged move, which would be really mean) it might not live up to it's potential.

Thunderbolt isn't a bad move, and Mewtwo with it will probably be not as good as Zapdos or Raikou. Not sure if it outperforms Jolteon or not, but it should be in that ballpark.

Flamethrower is all right, and my gut again puts it in the same ballpark as Flareon, weaker than Moltres or Entei, and almost certainly well behind Heatran. IMO this is the least useful of the moves.

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Against Tangela, Flareon and even Blaziken still spank it purely from a DPS standpoint. Against Sludge Bomb variants Mewtwo has higher damage output but in all other cases the true fire types are overall better. Against ice and steel types you'd be smarter to run a Focus Blast Mewtwo.

At this time I see no use for Flamethrower besides novelty.

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Why rely on your gut when we have the DPS/TDO chart?
In this case your gut is wrong, FT Mewtwo is a bit worse than FS/OH Charizard, making it an ok but utterly unimpressive fire attacker. BB Charizard, Flareon, Blaziken are all notably better at fire DPS.

Regarding Thunderbolt, Mewtwo does seem to outperform Jolteon with it but it's close.

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Since you mentioned Kyogre, if it comes back yet again, TB Mewtwo should be one of the best counters to the Blizzard set in case you don't have enough high level Raikous/Groudons. Being able to tank one Blizzard makes a huge difference and C/SB Mewtwo was already one of the best B Kyogre counters just dealing neutral damage. Tiny niche, but it is there.

Like everyone has said already, IB is by far the most useful out of the new moves, I'll probably try to power up one if I can collect enough candy for it.

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