I'm trying to at least piece together what pokemon came out, and when in the gen 4 roll out.
Someone in my discord posted theres still like 36 nonlegendaries yet to be released, and while a lot of them are cross gen evolutions, Cros gen evo's are a substantial part of gen 4 and the legendaries well are something like a quarter or more of the total dex.
I know the initial release was a huge number of them, and the most recent one was something like only 6
"What has each Gen 4 wave been?"
Disappointing.
A majority of them have been one or two that were quietly released into the game, or that were released with an event but didn't fit it thematically. The only two that I'd consider a "wave" were the first one of 20+ and the batch of 11 cross-gen evolutions. It's been a very slow drip beyond those.
Thats what ive been wondering, because it doesnt feel like we got well defined "waves" of release, just the mass release of gen 4 evos and the starters/other odd ones when giratina came, and then the most recent one where everyone flipped out and some got agro about Lucario not being what they hoped, thats all ive really heard from rollouts.
I wasnt aroudn when Hoenn rolled out, I started after I heard beldum was added, so I didnt know if this was typical.
Knowing this now, its very...strange. Events were always seemingly very organized and structured, things being done that made sense, but this...is just....are they trying to keep players in winter invested by releasing one or two things at random times?
Hoenn had the following release waves:
10/20/17 - Halloween 2017, Duskull, Shuppet, and Sableye were released. A soft tease of Gen 3 looming on the horizon
12/06/17 - Weather update, release of 50(!) Hoenn Pokemon. Groudon appeared as the first Hoenn T5 boss a week later.
12/21/17 - Holiday 2017, water and ice types introduced. Kyogre teased in promo art, released as raid boss on 01/12/18. Delibird also released for Holiday event.
01/23/18 - 23 desert biome Pokemon added
02/08/18 - Flying and dragon type Pokemon added alongside Rayquaza
At that point every line that wasn't Nincada, Spinda, Kecleon, or Clampearl was released. Legendaries obviously followed their own schedule. The point is every time there was a new wave it was fresh; they were themed, a sizeable amount of Pokemon were released at a time, it was enough to keep people busy and interested in completing the Pokedex. It also took only *4 months* to release everything, with a month and a half of that being down time between the ghost teaser and the first big release.
It's been three months since Sinnoh first began dripping into the game and none of the releases have felt as exciting as any of the Hoenn ones. Admittedly there have been large additions added during this wave such as Adventure Sync and Trainer Battles but Niantic has also grown substantially as a company. There isn't any reason they can't focus on new features and fun releases at the same time.
The only think I could potentially think of is a lot of sinnoh pokemon dont have a lot of commonalities. But even thats a stretch.
A huge slice of the dex is cross gen evos, 29 of them if my counting's right, being over a quarder of the dex, that easily could have made its own event. when considering all the pokemon at the initial release that arent cross gens (the staters, shinx, buneary, krikot, bidoof, starly lines) thats 21 nonlegendaries. theres 13 legendaries, though a few are mythicals. Theres really a lot of ways they could have done mass release.
Same applied for about 80% of the playerbase, the other 20% are the ones who just use aggron all the time and dont understand coutners.
Mamoswine would be good to have here in theory, I say that as its weak to 2 of groudon's charge moves, and isnt exactly the bulkiest out there, it's an HP tank, not exactly the best defense for comparison, its 3 lower than gengar, however has a substantial amount of HP
I wasnt compairing it to gengar to say its a glass cannon, I was just saying its defense isnt that good,. It has a lot of HP to compensate, and will still be an amazing attacker., but ive hear that defense Is more important than HP bulk wise. And still have a good amount of HP to do amazing
Though thinking now, its large HP and lower defense than other ice tpes, might help it a lot more, able to get charge moves faster than other pokemon with the same set. Though one problem mamoswine has, especially agaisnt groudon is its weakness to 2 of its charge moves.
No one's basing Mamoswine's viability against Groudon as a general case of viability.
You need to stop listening to whoever you "hear" these things from. Generally speaking HP > Def when evaluating bulk potential, the stat rebalance should have been evident of that. Hariyama was always considered bulky for its massive HP despite having defense lower than Gengar. Mamoswine should be considered the same way, it's tied with Walrein for having the 2nd highest HP among ice types and has the highest attack stat among them. There's reason to be excited for it; it retaining the Powder Snow/Avalanche combo is a huge bonus.
I was meaning in the sense of its not a huge loss we dont have it. It would be absolutely phenomenal vs EQ, but more often than not it wouldn't be used, so its not a huge loss we dont have it, at least to me. It is still a beyond fantastic pokemon, but groudon never was what turned heads about Mamoswine. It would be great to have, not the biggest loss we dont.
Ill keep that in mind.
I don't disagree that the Gen4 release has been disappointing. Ffs, there really shouldve been another wave right here in Jan, but we got a Hoenn event instead.
However, Gen4 was released during a rather frantic time of new features and updates, such as the whole CP rebalance, Adventure Sync, PvP etc... That's a lot of quality of life improvements honestly. Niantic HQ was probably struggling to manage/plan everything at once that we've ended up with this mess of a release. If this is indeed the case, then I guess I can forgive them. There still quite a lot more to go, now that all these new features are out of the way, I hope they handle the last few remaining waves well.
There is still a lot of Gen4 still waiting to be released. Yes, that's not including legends or cross-evos. It just feels like there aren't to many left because of all the drip feeding Niantic has done. Gen4 has a middle sized dex. Gen2 has the smallest Dex currently, but it didn't feel super small since everything was released at once.
It was recently released that Niantic is valued at $4 billion. There's no reason they can't assign different tasks to different teams in a way that meshes smoothly.
There's currently 21 unreleased Gen 4 Pokemon not accounting for legendary, mythical, or cross-gen Pokemon. One wave for them and another for the remaining cross-gen Pokemon would be enough to wrap up this generation. Too bad we'll likely see multiple waves of 5-7 Pokemon released at a time and Mime Jr. will be in unreleased limbo forever because they won't know how to handle Mr. Mime's regional status with it.
Yeah I agree. Ideally, there should be 2 more waves. One for the remaining cross-evos and the other for the remain 21 non-legend. So, judging by this, Gen4 release should be wrapped up around Feb, early March at the latest.
There has been so many financial reports on Niantic making millions, yet they still seems to make ridiculous errors. Seems like that money is simply going directly into their pockets. Hell, even hiring a small PR team would do wonders for the game.
I suppose its easy for them to make millions when an entire subreddit of players do their quality checking for free. /s
During the summer I actually felt like the game was in a good place. Despite the Regis being a boring batch of raid bosses everything in game jived pretty smoothly. Following the summer there's seemingly been mistake after mistake, mistakes that would have been caught if someone took an extra five minutes to review things before they got pushed out.
