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Trading is coming

https://pokemongolive.com/post/friendsandtrading/

Asked by Dr GO5 years 10 months ago

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That stardust cost for legendary trading though... ouch.

40,000 might be reasonable. 1,000,000 is impossible for most people.

I get that they want to add some weight to trading and that they need to curb it to avoid a black market of sorts, but 1 million is excessive. I'd say the 40k should be the standard cost while the best friend cost is less than that (Maybe 5k?).

City players can easily generate 50k per day while working full time jobs. It may suck for rurals, but it would be broken for cities at 40k/5k. I make 5k in the 15 minute walk from home to the bus stop.

Fair point, I just kinda pulled numbers from the air. It still doesn't change the fact that the requirements are pretty steep, in particular for those who live in less dense area or those who don't get out to play as much. I live in a city and I definitely don't rake in 50k dust daily. I suppose that's the nature of the game though, you either go hard daily or get called a filthy casual for not having a constant supply of 300 rare candies and 2 million dust.

This dude is going to be thrilled! Seriously tho, I'm not 100% in love. Most people I run into doing raids are holding 2 phones with 2 accounts. On the bright side, I can get my son some of those Pikachus he wanted.

Whoah...

I see at least a half a dozen individuals like that whenever I'm at a tier 5 raid.

And no, no prizes for guessing which country I'm from.

Looks like I still can't trade my extra 200 revives to anyone.

Ok now we're getting somewhere! Now they need to expand this trainer code thing to Raid organization and communicating with predefined phrases. Congratulations Niantic, I don't hate you this week!

Multi account heaven is coming. Not only they can trade between their accounts, they will also get extra balls and rewards in raids since they always raid together.

Not so fast. IVs and CP are re-rolled... And stardust cost might be quite a lot.

Where does it say that IVs are rerolled? Based on the link, a legendary trade between best friends will cost 40k dust. Not unreasonable and can be exploited.

it cant be sploited, because you can only make 1 special trade per day

Big whoop, one month later, they're 30 pokemon up.
I said this before, trades should be limited one trade per person.

And what's the practical application of trading 30 legendaries that get their IVs rerolled? Where's the benefit when you factor in that it costs 1200000 dust per month if you first wait 90 days for the max friendship level?

I'm much more worried about the unfair advantage of +4 balls always for every raid that multiaccounters will get.

The only thing I was replying to was the "exploitation" part. I agree that it's dumb. If only perfect pokemon could be traded only once, and once per person. *sigh*

It says the CP and HP are rerolled, which likely means that the IV changes. The pictures have a range for the cp of both pokemon.

Sad :(

The multi-account players already have multiple 'Mons of species they are in interested in. That's something they get out of raiding with multiple accounts.

Ivs will be rerolled, so trading a 100% will be impossible or plain stupid.

Anyone wants a Shadow Claw Gengar that is not likely to make much headway in battle?

I'll take it for a mewtwo if you ever get to the Boston area.

Since IV's get rerolled? HELLS YEAH! I might get one that's worthwhile in battle!

Unless the moves get rerolled as well... then nope.

Probably won't be worth the dust spent to trade junk legendary and hope they become 90+ on the other end. I assume moves would be re-rolled as well.

I`d trade a mewtwo for a shadow claw Gengar

Moves get re-rolled?

Unless you are Best Friends, maybe?

There is no guarantee of that.

All it said was CP and HP. While one way those would change is by changing IVs, the other way is by changing Levels.

The example screen for trading shows Pikachu:

CP: 427 range 323-427.
HP: 47 range 42-47.

In this particular example, they only get worse. It's possible some of the range will get better, but I suspect a net loss of IVs on trades. That's one way to stop farmers from farming, trading and selling accounts.

It's bad for hundo hunters, as trading away a 100% will likely give the other person something less than 100%. Curious what will happen when trading a 0%, or a legendary 10/10/10.

The biggest immediate bonus is that when raiding with a best friend, you each get +4 balls. That's huge. So make friends with everybody at every raid you go to - you never know when it will pay off.

The gifts also look nice. Giving free stuff and getting free stuff is always fun.

Bummer. I have no decent Articuno, and I know someone with a 98% and a 96%. He cannot power up both and my best is 82%. I'd like to make a deal, but this seems to prevent that sort of deal if IV is re-rolled.

So trading 100iv pokemon will be impossible?
It's apparently a gamble based on the friend meter and level. CP and HP (why are they different?) will be changed based on that, so is it possible to actually gain iv points?

I'd rather be able to trade a single perfect pokemon once a month for a hefty cost than none at all.
This sucks.
This is mainly to get collectibles and fill your dex. Meh

As it should

I had hoped for the relative in person requirement and IV reroll. The cost for trading to a friend for that Tauros/Mime though is gonna be extortionate at first.

Overall, I'm... not particularly enthusiastic about this addition. Don't get me wrong, it's nice, sure. But it looks like a way to reward current multi-account players more than anything else.

Will have to wait until we see the actual implementation and limitations. How many gifts can I get per day from a single player, for example. How will the Attack and Ball bonus work when you're doing raids with people who aren't at the same level of Friendship? (I raid with my wife and daughter, we're "Best Friends", then we do a raid with a new player that isn't even on our friends list. Do we lose any bonuses, similar to how the catch bonus is derived from multiple bonuses when applicable?)

Can I "breed" a Perfect IV Pokémon via Trading now? It looks like when you trade Pokémon between Best Friends, you get a significant bonus to the CP range after. So if I trade a Pidgey with a 90% IV with a Best Friend and it goes up, can my Best Friend trade it back to me and have it potentially increase again? Is the only limit on this the Stardust cost?

Etc.

All in all, this looks... nice. But I wonder if the potential upside for Multi-Account players is too high, and the upside for single account players is too insignificant, to make this an exciting update for those of us who pretty much play as a single account.

We don't know how it affects IV, the pictures show CP and HP potentially going down but not up. Having it only go up would be super exploitable so that's pretty obviously not happening, I don't think there's a danger that people can farm perfects through repeated trading.

It's unlikely that you will lose balls if you add a non-friend to the raid. That will cause exclusion of new players from raid groups, which is the last thing niantic wants. My guess is that the friendship bonus will be based on the highest friendship level you have with the raid group.

According to an interview IGN did with one of Niantic's software engineers, the bonus premier balls will be determined by the highest ranked friend who's in the raid with you. So the max you can get is +4 premier balls. Bonuses won't stack, and raiding with someone of a lower ranking friendship won't reduce the reward either.

Source: http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/06/18/e3-2018-pokemon-go-will-officially-get-trading-soon-alongside-new-friend-system

And what players are most likely to have the fastest potential of becoming ultra friends?
Spoofers and multi-accounts. *Facepalm*

You can only increase friendship ranking with another trainer once per day (just like how you can only get one research stamp per day), so as long as you're actively playing, you won't really have any noticeable disadvantage compared to spoofers/multi-accounters.

Actively playing with other people, from the look of things. Not simply actively playing - it looks like you can only get that by attacking a gym or doing a raid.

And no, there won't be a noticeable advantage for the multi-accounters to begin with. Not in the first the 30 days or so, no. But from the 30 day mark onward, multi-accounters are going to begin to have an advantage, and from 60 days onward they will have a huge advantage. My wife, daughter and I could have that same advantage, and we likely will. But it's highly unlikely that I'll have anyone else as a "Best Friend" for a year, simply because most of the people I raid with are adults with kids and 8-6 jobs, so if I see the same people more than 4 times a week, it's probably the first week of a new Legendary and most don't have a good one yet. (It was much better when the Scanners were active and Raids were far easier to coordinate; if scanners come back, it might get up to 5 times a week at Raids for a few of the people I regularly raid with)

So I might end up with 5 people (outside of family) in the first year who I am on a "Best Friends" basis with in Pokémon Go. And that's assuming THEY continue to play at the same level they've been playing at since Raiding began.

It will be interesting to see how many players here will have a "Best Friend" 90-100 days after this feature is launched, who isn't one of their second accounts or (like me) a family member. And how long it will take some of us to get our first "Best Friend" in Pokémon Go.

I'm feeling sad because most trainers have more friends than me.

A lot of them study together, work together, even live together. Nice for them, but it's an advantage I don't have.

Breeding would probably solve that problem, if they'd introduce egg moves and passing moves on, then even solo players could breed better IV mons with legacy movesets.

If you aren't already, I'd suggest looking into joining a local Discord or Facebook PoGo group for your area. It makes a huge difference in terms of connecting with other players.

Thanks. I went raiding with my Discord group tonight and – despite some teasing about me being a lowly Instinct – I think they're going to be my friends :)

As a fellow "lowly Instinct," I can tell you that teasing aside, people I've connected with via Discord have been awesome. It's a real game-changer when you've got a regular group of people to play with. Though, you may have to make do with only getting ~7 balls from raids #instinctproblems 😁

This is a good system that will absolutely tilt trading toward people you know and away from spoofers.

It will also make this a good system for completing the pokedex and maybe some rare characteristics (legacy movesets) without focusing demand on perfects or high IV 'mons and allowing profiteering.

It will not be bad for multi-account players, but it is spoofers and profiteering that need targeting.

And the friend system and postcard system looks like a fun way to actually build an in-game association.

Very much looking forward to this.

I think Niantic did well here.

I like it! It’s a way so that they can’t sell Pokémon online. Prevents a lot of spoofers from doing their thing, although they can make sure they have decent Pokémon in each account now. I like thdon’t gifts and the friends thing. I still need the legendary dogs, so unless they come in the research breakthrough next month this is the only way to get them.

Everyone seems to be concluding trading will be pointless because it re-rolls the IV. Well wouldn't this be ideal if you have low IV pokemon that you could re-roll?

The current example of the CP/HP Rerolls (which we're interpreting to be IV Rerolls) shows the range of potential IV's for the Pikachu, and all of the potential IV's are either identical or less than what it currently has. Based on what it currently has (CP 427, HP 47), it isn't a Perfect Pokémon - it's high 70's to low 80's at best according to the IV Calculator on this site. So if the example is accurate, then it shows that the CP will decrease after being traded.

So it looks like you might not be able to re-roll a low IV Pokémon into a higher IV Pokémon. But we will have to wait and see; the examples used might simply be dummy/test Pokémon and actual gameplay may vary from it.