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Is there any use for Ho-Oh that makes it worth powering up?

There are three issues with Ho-Oh:
- Lack of STAB on the fast moves.
- No combination of same type fast move and charge move.
- No stellar attack stat.

- Extrasensory/Brave Bird
Niche use against double steel Machamp as it would be slightly better than Lugia.
BUT, investing rare candies in a Mewtwo or dust in a huriccane dragonite is more useful. Espeon and Alakazam can be found in the wild at level 30 without investment.

- Steel wing / Solar Beam
The two moves are effective against rock.
BUT It would hit rock slower than Exeggcutor or Vaporeon (which is also quite bulky).

- Steel wing / Fire Blast
The two moves are effective against defender of the ice type (without the double typing water).
BUT Flareon or Entei would have higher DPS (better moves and attack stat) and the bulkiness of Ho-Oh is mitigated by the flying typing which makes it vulnerable to ice moves.

So overall, I do not plan to power up Ho-Oh. Will you? Do you see good reason to do so?

Asked by Zaarkos6 years 4 months ago

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That's the same way I see Ho-Oh, and yet, at the raids today several hardcore players were pretty adamant about wanting to power it up soon.

(Keep in mind that Ho-Oh is neutral to ice because of fire typing.)

I was lucky to get a 93% Ho-Oh. I prefer to use my raid pass on Raikou from now on.

*the bulkiness of Ho-Oh is mitigated by the flying typing which makes it [relatively more] vulnerable to ice moves [compared to pure fire types].

Greater than 3800 cp is why.

why would you choose solar beam over brave bird for machamp?

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For the moment, no.

I just treat him as trophy. I caught one with 86.7% IV which is good enough for me but that won't make me avoid Ho-oh raid for sure. The best part about raids for me is meeting other players above anything else.

none of you are mentioning that his combination of defense and stamina means he delivers a massive amount of total damage and is therefore extremely potion efficient? FAR more than anyone other than Blissey, who obviously is never used on offense. Talking 40% more damage than even Dragonite or TTar in a neutral situation. Just avoid rock, water and electric and Ho-oh will churn through defenders no matter what moves he has.
24th, 12th, 39th for attack, defense, stamina is a great combination that overcomes move weakness for a generalist.

It can take 40% more damage than Dragonite BUT it deals 40% less DPS.
It can take 25% more damage than Tyranitar BUT deals 25% less DPS.
It can take 33% less damage than Lugia for similar DPS.

So it is as potion efficient as tyranitar and dragonite but less potion efficient than Lugia. And it takes Ho-Oh more time to sweep gym than tyranitar and dragonite. So it is a worst generalist. And Dragonite, Tyranitar and Lugia have the advantage to be specialists on top.

I disagree about the "no stellar attack stat" comment. It has 24th ranked attack stat out of Gen1-Gen3 Mons. It currently has the 12th highest attack stat out of Gen1-Gen2 Mons. I tend to agree with the comment above mine. It will be very potion efficient as a sweeper/generalist attacker given it's good defense and stamina ratings as well as it's good attack stat.

The good attack stack does not compensate for the lack of STAB.

If you divide the 239 attack stat of Ho-Oh by 1.2, you get 199.

For most players Ho-oh will be a generalist with huge stats regardless of moveset. For people who don't have access to daily raids or not the environment to raid with other players regularly Ho-oh with ES/BB gives another option to solo Machamp who in turn allows you to duo Tyranitar.

personally I like looking down my mons and seeing lots of high cp ones so fiben it has the second highest max cp i will power mine up

Ho-Oh with ES/BB makes a great neutral anchor counter to Ho-Oh Raid bosses with the toughest moveset: SW/SB. But then again, that's using a Ho-Oh to obtain a Ho-Oh, and we're questioning the merit in obtaining a Ho-Oh