For the love of God!!!! NEVER power up or evolve ANYTHING!!!! Because someday it MIGHT get a slightly better move!!!! Because we all know that special moves only happen in a vacuum!!! Because new moves NEVER happen in some sort of event with advanced notice!!!! Plus we all know there is zero chance of catching another one, much less a better one!!! By all means continue raiding with bad and under leveled Pokémon because something you need now, might get a better move ... days, weeks, months, years from now !!!!
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should i spend dust on maxing one Groudon?
I heard this guy saying that Groudon will get a signature move, so whats the point of spending so much dust on my shiny without a signature move that is more powerfull?
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Idk why you guys downvoted this. He's obviously being sarcastic. He's just frustrated with the fact that people always want to optimize every possible thing instead of doing what makes them happy. What he's actually *saying* is "Do whatever you want, because there's no point in waiting around on a bunch of 'possibilities'."
Did you dislike what he said, or the way he said it?
Seeing someone downvoted Lemywinks70's answer, I'll answer the same as him but with less..."aggressive" words:
If you NEED a good Groudon right now (to which I would say "yes" considering it's a good Dialga counter), then power it up. If you don't need it right now, wait until you do. If he ever gets some sort of signature move, it means you will have the chance to catch it again, which also means the chance to get a better one to also power up... "If" it ever gets a signature move
Now for another view used as an example to say virtually the same thing:
During the first release of Groudon, I only caught a handful of them, and raised my best: an 89% with 15 atk. I did this in part because I like Groudon, and in part because it was one of the top "grass" attackers in the game. I've since TM'd it to double ground, and actually use it more than I did for grass. That said, I've used it for little more than Heatran.
During its return, I caught a much better Groudon and raised it as a second ground attacker. Dialga will be the first time that I've actually used it, and that will only be in the sun, or as an anchor in a short-man.
Am I happy to have two Groudon raised? Yes and no. Glad to have ground coverage, but I've got this nagging itch called "Precipice Blades" in the back of my mind.
To summerize: the ideal strategy is to wait (unless you lack Dialga counters and intend to raid the crap out of the time dragon like I do), but if you like Groudon and feel that it suits your needs, just come to terms with the fact that it MAY be outclassed by itself some day (though I still have hope that Niantic will someday fix that), and jump head-long.
Nobody knows when or even whether the signature move will be released. The key question is, if you power up your shiny Groudon now, how much will it benefit you from now until the time the signature move is released?
Another example: Did Tyranitar (and Rhyperior) getting Smack Down make past investments in Golem wasted? Not for players who used their Golems against Articuno, Moltres, Zapdos, Ho-Oh and Lugia.
The golem comparison is a bit different than the one for groudon. Golem was near instrumental agaisnt a large number of those legendary raids, as aside from legacy omastar, it was the best rock type.
Groudon isnt, at least in my opinion, doesnt compare the same way, as theres many fewer cases where groudon was/is the single best for the task (raikou, heatran, the pool expends with weather factored in, but those requires boost for it to be the best), unlike golem was prior. Groudon sees less usage than Golem did.
(I am aware of legacy omastar, but that was a very limited legacy set very few had)
We dont know when groudon will get its signature move, oand theres a slight possibility it may not (though given how money hungry niantic can get, I think its likely it will happen). Seeing as Mewtwo hasn't gotten its signature move, I think it is safe to assume the moves are far off, but do think they are inevitable. (If they do signature moves for one legendary pokemon, they'd likely do them for all [Jirachi's doom desire and Deoxys' psycho boost do however throw a bit of a wrench in this next bit] there'd likely be psystrike mewtwo, sacred fire ho-oh/Entei, Aeroblast Lugia, mist ball latias, luster purge latios and possibly Origin pulse kyogre preceding it, assuming they do in dex number order but even leaving out the last three, thats still a good number of pokemon, and likely a long time)
Now, lets get the other glaring thing out of the way, ground, and groudon in particular isnt the best option in many matches, ground has very weak preformance relative to other types nonlegendaries (for reference, see Dialga, registeel, regirock's counters) when ground is the same level of effectiveness as another type and without clear weather boost.
However, if you have an immediate use for groudon (say you live somewhere you reliably get clear weather right now), or you just like the pokemon and want to have one maxed out/high level just to have one, I would say yes it is worth it. I have little use for my shiny Zapdos (its not quite the same situation as groudon is still best ground, while zapdos isnt best electric, but the situation of getting something better than it also applies, given the existence of electivire, raikou and eventually magnazone) but I still powered it up to max level because Instinct Prideand I like zapdos. If you like a pokemon, even if you arent going to use it much, i'd say its worth powering up if you want it.
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If you are someone who plays to optimize recourse usage, I would say probably dont power it up, as the dust can be spent on other pokemon as groudon likely wont see much use outside a small number of very specific match ups, but if you just want to have a high level groudon because you like the pokemon/its shiny, i'd say power it up, though a little at a time.
"We dont know when groudon will get its signature move, oand theres a slight possibility it may not (though given how money hungry niantic can get, I think its likely it will happen). Seeing as Mewtwo hasn't gotten its signature move, I think it is safe to assume the moves are far off, but do think they are inevitable."
Agree with the following caveat - I think Niantic is using the signature moves as a way to make older pokemon relevant again in the face of power creep. When Mewtwo is no great shakes, they will give it Psystrike and it will be relevant again.
We have values for Precipice Blades, Origin Pulse, and Psystrike in the data in the master files, but no pokemon have them yet. Frankly, let's say Origin Pulse is out. What's the best pokemon for any raid? Does it resist water? No, then use Kyogre with Origin Pulse. These moves are that good. So when they are more balanced, that's when they will likely come in to play. We're still a long way off from that.
We also don't know how pokemon will get their signature moves. I'm guessing that they will have a Signature TM, possibly species specific, that allows one to TM to the signature move. Suspect trainers will only get one per species - a team of 6 Kyogres with Origin Pulse would be a wrecking crew. Or they could have to be caught fresh, in which case my perfect Kyogre will be second best to the one with the best move. Not sure long time players will like that arrangement. Nobody knows what's going to happen with these, or exactly when, but we can guess.
I agree there'd need to be something to hinder accessibility of the moves, as they are that good, but i also think its possible OP or PB wont be left in their current form. Remember how when we found the initial stats of Blast burn, it would have made Charizard into a monster, and blaziken down the road even more so, but then they nerfed BB. I think It's likely those moves will also receive a nerf in some form before their release (either better competition in other pokemon, or a nerf to the stats).
Psystrike, at least right now, isnt much of an improvement over psychic for raids.
