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Seriously what is with the movesets?

I'm pretty sure Heatran has Overheat, Giratina has Shadow Ball, Tangrowth has Grass Knot, Magmortar has Flamethrower and Honchkrow has Foul Play or Sky Attack, but for whatever reason the worst moves possible are presented to them. Shadow Sneak and Fire Punch/Blast are completely and utterly inexcusable.

What a truly disappointing end for the death shafted.

Asked by Mr-ex7775 years 6 months ago
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A question several have asked throughout the course of the day.

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We are in agreement that Giratina, Tangrowth, Honchkrow, and Togekiss got shafted the big nasty.

However some of them have some cool potential. Magmortar with Fire Punch is cool, and giving DB/DM to Dialga/Palkia was an interesting choice to say the least.

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Honchkrow has the second highest dark DPS in the game, only losing to Weavile and above Sharpedo, Absol and Tyranitar. You call that shafted?

EDIT: Excluding Darkrai since it's a mythical that will likely get released much later.

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Togekiss is completely fine. Air Slash/Dazzling Gleam or Aerial Ace wrecks Machamp on defense. And that was his role all along.

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Gallade got the shit-tier moves too. He never really had the stats to challenge the best psychic or fighting attackers, but it still hurts to see him in total oblivion. Lucario is in the same boat.

Here's hoping they switch moves around before many of these pokemon are actually released, or soon after! Just try to get the good movesets on the winners (Mamoswine PS/A, Weavile IS/A and FA/FP, Electivire TS/WC, Rhyperior SD/SE, Rampardos SD/RS or even SD/OR for generalist, Luxray S/WC, Magnezone S/WC) before anything changes. Am I missing any winners?

I wish there was a good ground charge move. Idk if Bulldoze is significantly (if at all) better than EQ, could Mamoswine take the ground DPS crown from Groudon?

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Bulldoze is better than EQ but it's not enough better to overtake the difference of 23 base attack stat between Groudon and Mamoswine. Mamoswine seems to be the third best ground DPS, above Rhyperior but below Groudon and Garchomp. Problem is the main use of ground is against Heatran and Mamoswine is weak to all of Heatran's STAB attacks.

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by milkz 5 years 6 months ago

It's really upsetting because a lot of the pokemon are great stat wise but they practically considered useless due to awful moveset.

Doesn't matter too much regardless, battle is only a small part of the game. But it still stings. I believe gen 3 also got terrible movesets as well.

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Yes it's so despair inducing that it's like the ultimate death and destruction commited against players and pokemon alike.

Nintendo should be revoking developer rights from niantic since the moves are likely just put on a randomizer, both moves given and moves viability.

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How about you develop a better AR game so we can switch to it? We could also write letters to Niantic sponsors and Nintendo. /s

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Many Gen IV mons get crappy moves, Mr-ex777 is still posting; bad news all around today.

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Honestly I am pleased with how most of them turned out to be. The only Pokemon I can think of that got hurt badly by their move sets are Staraptor, Lucario, and Gallade. Regarding your comments on Tangrowth and Honchkrow, Tangrowth gets solar beam, so he is good, and Honchkrow gets dark pulse so he is fine also in terms of moves.

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by Xegeth 5 years 6 months ago

Also happy with Leafeon (Leaf Blade) and Glaceon (Avalanche). They will both be pretty good.

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I've got an idea.

Just give every Pokemon in the game the best possible moveset. That will be so much fun and no one can complain.

Delete all moves in the game that aren't the best of their type, since they're no longer needed.

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There are some powerful mons in gen 4 & at the moment, giving them all the best moves would be stupid. People are complaining they can't instantly evolve all their 100% mons with their boatloads of candy and it's just day 1. If these Pokémon know the better moves in the main games, they will get them eventually so enjoy the ones you have, be patient & good things will happen.

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True. There's definitely something odd about the movesets: people complaining compulsively about unreleased pokemon which projected moves haven't even been analysed in detail (and most of them are not so bad).

IMO Niantic did a decent effort on balancing moves so all previous pokemon we invested in didn't get completely obsolete. Plus future tweaks and CD will bring improvement to our favourites.

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A majority of the gen 4 Pokémon haven’t even been released yet and there is a chance things could change. The new set of moves haven’t been applied to any Pokémon yet and it’s likely that they will. But yeah, it’s surely a sign of the end times.

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