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The real meaning of garbage moves given to otherwise OP pokemon

You should be able to read this starting from this point. It should be pretty clear that they are not setting foot for some sort of community day. They are pretty clearly not wanting you to invest in anything but:
* New Ice, Rock and Electric types, Machamp, Kyogre, Moltres, Dragonite, Rayquaza, SHADOW CLAW Gengars, Mewtwo.

If it's not any one of these they are making sure that they will be perfectly outclassed even by trash like Rapidash or Swellow.

It's a plan and it is clearly intentional. They do not have any intentions to reinforce most of these pokemon.

Asked by Mr-ex7775 years 5 months ago
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Shadow ball mewtwo not mewtwo in general, other sets are pretty niche at best and are outclassed in everything but psychic.

Im pretty sure they're setting up for raid days of the legendaries. I think everyone would spend crap loads of money on the game if the came out with roar of time dialga in like 2 years that out DPS's rayquaza and having that massive TDO. They did the same thing to metagross in gen 3, giving it trash moves and its getting a CD in a few days, they are planning for down the road.

Sidenote, palkia's 3rd best dragon type, behind salamence by only .03 dps with a lot more tdo. The new pokemon arent trash. Yes they arent as good as other options, but far from trash

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Did you just read the contents of the post? They clearly are not. They are just trying to make those pokemon other than the ones listed above to be horrible because they don't want you to invest in them. Most of them aren't even eligible for any form of community day.

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What would the sense be of that? Niantic wants to make money, last I checked, making your new pokemon bad wasnt a good business plan. We've had those pokemon for a long time and have then in good ivs and at high levels. There no benefit niantic can get from making newer pokemon bad..

again, palkia's a better dragon attacker than dragonite, so you are wrong there, and all but shadow ball mewtwo are worse sets than nonlegendaries now, so also wrong there

Also if niantic TRULY only wanted players to invest in those, they they'd have those pokemon as raid bosses, research encoutners and such all the time. and most of them arent, shadow ball and shadow claw are legacy sets on mewtwo and gengar, both Tyranitar's sets are threatened, mewtwo is not good option for RC anymore with the new pokemon. With the meta shifting with the CP rebalance, chansey and snorlax might leave gyms and lower machamps use while pushing Breloom's use up.

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You forgot Togekiss, Honchkrow, Tangrowth etc which are in fact not eligible in any form of community day.

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I do not recall mentioning those by name, actually i hadn't even brought them up.
Most would have said eevee was ineligible for community day, and look what happened, it got one.
Things can change by the time they are released. after all not all pokemon gave the same moves as the game's code says. Kyogre doesnt have dragon tail, does it? We also dont know if togekiss will or will not get something special and i'd HARDLY say honchkrow has bad moves. you sound like someone whos bitter about spending time on something and didnt get what you wanted.

Theres also gardcomp, a better version of dragonite, same set, near identical DPs in a vacuum, but 1% more tdo, yes, yes gen4 made the new pokemon bad.

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Oh my, I thought the Internet was about to explode when those two started arguing!

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I've never scrolled so quickly past something than seeing those two usernames go back and forth

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Yes, you dont like it. But the other option would be to give all Gen 4 pokemon their best movesents and completely outclass everything else. And many people wouldnt like that either.
These 3 wont be the best, but the others have room for CD days/ raid days.

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why they arent eligible? because niantic can change the rules of community days wherever they want, like they did with eevee

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If you play any some of kind of competitive game. you need some kind of balance in pokemon go its high stat pokemon with bad to decent moves vs low stat pokemon with good moves.

If you give High stat pokemon the best possible moves people will only use legendary pokemon and nothing else. At least now Venesaur, Charziard, Dragonite, Tyranitar can some what compete with legendary pokemon.

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Oh, sure. That would be a perfectly reasonable way to design movesets. Give weaker moves to pokemon with high base stats and stronger moves to pokemon with low base stats.

... But that is not what they do. They give a few pokemon really good moves indiscriminately of what their base stats look like. Most of the time, with Tyranitar and Psychic Mewtwo as some of the few exceptions, they give some of the strongest moves to the strongest pokemon of their types. Then give utter garbage moves to pokemon with much lower base stats.

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True but super low stat pokemon will suck regardless of move. They are not gonna break the game.

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But a lot of borderline pokemon that could be usable with good moves are instead just trash.

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And a lot of borderline Pokemon that would normally be trash with regular moves are instead usable. What's your point?

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You’re really into the whole “end of days” shtick, aren’t you?

Power creep is something that happens in games with updated content. When a new expansion comes out for WoW, the new content is the best and older content is rendered obsolete. Certain Pokémon getting “bad” moves is a way of combatting power creep.

Niantic is a business and their ultimate goal is profit. Raids are probably their biggest source of income, so the raid scene is where they would have their focus. They also need to have a focus on casual players, because casual players, while not spending as much as hardcore players, are more abundant.

So, when a new Pokémon comes out and completely trashes its older counterpart you get a split. Some people think “hey cool, a new strong Pokémon” and other people think “what the fuck I wasted 1m dust and 300 rare candy powering up my other one!”. By having different Pokémon for different situations or having similar Pokémon perform similar roles without too much of a difference in performance, there’s a bit of a balance. We gained a few dark type attackers without shitting on everyone’s Tyranitar. We gained new rock types, one is insanely strong and glassy, the other is a little tankier.

Pokémon like Tangrowth, Togekiss, etc. might not have gotten the BEST moves, but they’re nowhere near bad. Tangrowth is still a nice addition to the grass type lineup with solar beam. Togekiss will still wall machamp in gyms.

The only ones I’m disappointed with are the legendaries and Gallade, and even then it’s mostly just Giratina getting shadow sneak. The other dragons are bulky as hell and can use Draco meteor just fine. Though I was expecting dragon pulse or dragon claw. Heatran not completely outclassing Moltres and Entei is fine, it could still become better.

And all of this is speculative. Most of gen 4 hasn’t even been released, none of the new gen 4 moves have been assigned, and the stat rebalance has been reverted for now.

Relax.

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Fully agreed. Power creep is real and as a whole Gen 4 seems to have solid checks and balances to keep people happy with their investments while giving them new toys to play with.

There are examples in both directions that have gone completely off the rails though; On the high end you have Mamoswine absolutely crushing the ice-type competition and on the low you have Giratina who deserves better on the ghost front.

As you put it, there's still a lot that's unreleased and the potential that moves can change before certain Pokemon are released. I was initially pretty upset with Giratina's case but there's hope it could change before he comes out. At this point I'd even be fine if they added an extra 20 points of damage to Shadow Sneak or something, god knows ghost moves not named Shadow Ball need some help.

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You're stating these things as facts when, in truth, this is all baseless speculation and overreaction on your part.

The legendaries will likely have their own raid days at some point down the line, like the birds. Because those things net Niantic lots of money in very short periods of time.

Nonlegendary Mons that got sub-par moves could eventually have their own community days. Togekiss would be interesting, as they've never done a baby CD before, but there's absolutely nothing stopping them from doing it. Or they get their movepools changed down the line, as we've seen happen to a LOT of other Mons over the years.

Also, keep in mind that currently zero Mons know any of the new Gen IV moves, so there's bound to be some changes before everything else is released.

Look, I wasn't exactly thrilled when I saw the movesets currently available to some of the new Mons either. I wasn't exactly wowed by Dialga or Palkia. Togekiss not getting fairy wind and Tangrowth not getting grass knot/power whip was disappointing. Don't even get me started on how bad Giratina and Heatran got shafted. That said, this isn't the "end of days, zomg death and destruction abound, inb4 all-consuming apocalyptic oblivion" scenario that you conjure up every time something happens with this game that you don't like.

TL;DR: none of the things you've stated are fact, and your second-to-last paragraph is entirely inaccurate and overblown. Stop being such an edgelord.

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According to Mr-ex777, the world must have already ended a dozen times.

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Can it end for reals before Sunday? I'm having a really hard time clearing out enough space in my box for Pokémon, and I would really appreciate the world ending before I have to actually delete a hundred of my favourite "Will they or won't they?" be useful Pokémon.

Also I have to do laundry before Community Day. It's my week, and I really don't want to do it.

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Why do people still spend time with this troll?
Let his narcissism consume him

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But he's right. Niantic's plan for world domination just started! We better prepare our tin foil hats!

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I don't think a hat will suffice, I'm currently upgrading my tin foil bodysuit into a full on tinfoil mecha armor.

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Dude, have a snickers

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by Sebhes 5 years 5 months ago

All these salty people.

Like they play some kind of competative game where it actually matters. PoGo is the most casual game ever. Get over it

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