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Questions about the Updated Attackers Tier List

Great work. One error that I spotted two hours ago was actually corrected before I typed this. Just some thoughts, questions and minor errata:

A. "Community Day Venusaur is debatably the best Grass attacker now in GO"? Not any longer. (In fact, I would demote it a tier, despite Bulbasaur being my favourite starter.)

B. "For the people that have it, EX Mewtwo is strictly better" than Alakazam? Psychic was not made legacy during Mewtwo month.

C. The defensive rebalance gave Gengar more bulk, thus its promotion from Tier 4 to 1.5, but the effectiveness rebalance undid that. Gengar and Rampardos do not deserve to be in the same tier as Tyranitar, which has two great movesets (albeit one legacy), is also decent on gym offence, an absolute monster in Master League PvP and far more accessible.

D. Does Moltres still deserve to be two tiers higher than Entei? Its promotion was back when we expected Heatran to outclass both, but Heatran turned out to be a flop. The two types where Sky Attack has an advantage are less relevant than the two where it is useless (Metagross is a very common gym defender).

E. Consider placing Gardevoir in Tier 4. The HP buff made Machamp solos no longer a joke and her bulk can help avoid wiping out against Dynamic Punch (which is hard to dodge often weather-boosted). I regularly use her on gym offence against Dragon-types and Fighting-types (of course, Mamoswine is coming). Palkia is not the first legendary dragon where I used her to anchor my team (I also did so for the Lati twins). Of course, Mamoswine is coming...

Asked by hkn5 years 2 months ago
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A. Agreed

B. Agreed, from specialist perspective, but also disagree. Alakazam as a generalist is overall worse than Mewtwo, which in turn is worse than EX Mewtwo, but yes I see what you mean.

C. Both Rampardos and Gengar are WAY faster (Rampardos by about 30%). Tyranitar is more of a specialist, Rampardos and Gengar are more-or-so generalists. Yes, they are glassy, but Tyranitar is bulky, so (I guess) the power is "even", as these two trades offset eachother.

D. Moltres has Sky Attack, and thus, performs better than Entei as a neutral generalist. It can also utilize its Flying-moves to take down Machamp. Basically, it has more available roles in the metagame, and therefore, out-does Entei as an attacker.

E. Agreed, as Gardevoir was once Tier 4.

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Have others moved away from generalists? I was never that impressed with mewtwo. I still have a Rayquazza ready to go on my favorites but rarely use it.

With the effectiveness changes, I now set my attack team for super effectiveness. I find it’s faster even though I have to switch between defenders. But adding second charge move decreases that as well

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A. Venusaur is bulkier than Roserade and there are still a few matchups where it is better. A demotion to tier 3 is in the works but I hotfixed the tier list without getting the chance to discuss with the rest of the GP team so I didn't want to make such a monumental change.

B. EX Mewtwo has Shadow Ball and is truly strictly better than Alakazam. Non EX Mewtwo does not have Shadow Ball.

C. Why would the effectiveness rebalance undo Gengar's gain in bulk? Gengar doesn't always operate at a disadvantage.

D. Entei's DPS is behind Charizard, Flareon, and Blaziken.

E. Outside of 2 specific raids, Gardevoir isn't all that good.

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A. Grass Knot Roserade deserves this title now. Not to discredit Venusaur's usefulness in PvP where it being bulkier helps it out.

B. I think this goes double now that we can teach second moves. to Pokemon. EX Mewtwo don't have to sacrifice Shadow Ball to fill other specialist roles now. Even with Psychic being inferior to Future Sight Mewtwo still reigns over Alakazam with it.

C. The effectiveness rebalance made Gengar more volatile. It may go down faster against psychics and ghosts but it can hit a lot harder in that window as well, balancing it out. Tyranitar is admittedly much more accessible but this list is more a "best of the best" where accessibility isn't always considered.

D. Don't underestimate Sky Attack. While there is effectiveness overlap between Sky Attack and Overheat the former makes it a much better gym sweeper thanks to is being a two bar moves. See my point about Mewtwo, with second moves being a factor you can use Sky Attack Moltres without sacrificing your steel and ice type coverage.

E. Agreed. A lot of the tier 4 picks are heavily outclassed whereas Gardevoir still has niches it can handle better than most other things.

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Agree with you one C, Both are very glassy, and Tyranitar's extra bulk and typing for match ups (most flying type pokemon dont have flying fast moves and Rampardos most of the time is hit for neutral damage) make it a better counter over all, and also not as many are needed.

For E I'd say togekiss is a bit more of a deserving spot, its bulk is better than gardevoir, helping in those raids, as well as having a better fast move, both confusion and charge beam are both slow, and dont complement gardevoir's frailty and having the same double fighting and dragon resistance. Also side note Mamoswine isnt super effective against palkia.

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