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Following the Sinnoh Teaser Post, this is what I gathered from it:
- HP will be nerfed significantly
- Defense will be nerfed slightly
- In some matchups, the timer will not be present, meaning that one must "outlast" a foe rather than "time them out"

Implications:
1) People are saying that Blissey is done for as #1, but remember that it still has the highest TDO with Pound/Hyper Beam (Assuming you're against a troglodyte that doesn't dodge). This means it depends HOW MUCH HP is nerfed to question its fate - and it would still make for a long fight.
2) Outside of gyms, we may now see Lugia moving into the spotlight, as it has the #2 TDO, is Defense-oriented, and has moves that are difficult to dodge
3) Other high dual-ability Pokemon include (in this order), Kyogre, Ho-oh, Groudon, Mewtwo. This also offers potential for Metagross (Rayquaza looked like it was actually kind of lower, though it has a ton of resistances)

I took some of this from Poke Genie's data, which...isn't perfect so I tried to keep that in mind as it tends to overvalue 1-bar moves.

Thoughts?

Asked by WaterYouWading45 years 6 months ago

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I think you misread the bit about defense. It states it's being rebalanced in its favor. If anything defense will likely get a buff of some kind.

It'll be "buffed" in that it's now more important, but Defense values are also being reduced a bit across the board.

Looks like I misread it, I completely glossed over the "defensive values will be reduced for most Pokemon". Whoops.

I suspect the "most pokemon" will be everything without strong defense, so that the few that have it will stand out more. I think Regigigas may be behind this latest series of changes, to make his creations more viable.

I dont think they'd do a targeted nerf to defense on specific pokemon, or rather targeted buff to some others defense. might be a percentage based nerf, smaller defense gets nerfed less, larger defense gets nerfed more.

Pokémon Defense and Stamina values will be retroactively rebalanced, allowing highly defensive Pokémon to be valuable in battle by outlasting opponents rather than simply running out the clock.

This is the key sentence that we need to decode. The way it's worded it suggests that attacker won't run out of time but will faint instead. Like a sandstorm damaging both pokemon and the defender "outlasting" the attacker. Or maybe adding an effect similar to recoil or confusion so that the attacker has something to worry about if he can't deliver enough dps

I mostly take it as Raid bosses keeping same HP, but raid parties losing HP. Variety: use more Pokémon battle parties and/or 1 phone so you can dodge/in-battle max revive your A-team

This would require a dodge bug fix.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Statistic#In_Generation_III_onward

In the core games, the hp calculation includes adding a constant equal to the pokemon's level. This helps pokemon with low base HP.

In Pokemon Go:

Stm= (baseStm +StmIV) *CPM
HP= Stm
DefenderHP= 2*Stm

CPM is based on level, but doesn't provide the same benefit that adding a constant could do to help pokemon with low baseStm.

Hypothetical change:

HP= N*Stm +level
DefenderHP= 2*(N*Stm +level)

The value of N would cut down HP, then level would add back to it. Pokemon in the middle HP range would not see as big a change as those at the high or low end.

I just posted this is another thread. I couldn't speculate about the specifics so I will copy paste:

"My first prediction is that Chansey will no longer be a viable gym defender. Blissey will be nerfed considerably but still one of the top defenders, just sharing its throne with a few others. Still no hope for my beloved Poliwrath."

In the main games chansey/blissey have no value because it has no defense. You have to give it defense EVs (a feature not present in GO) to make it usable.

Chansey/Blissey are way overpowered here compared to the main games, a nerf would be welcome in my book. Other gym defenders should be buffed.

"In the main games chansey/blissey have no value because it has no defense."

That's not correct at all. Chansey and Blissey are/were great special walls in the main series that have seen plenty of top-tier play.

They're overpowered in Pogo because of the bad stat conversion formula, but they're by no means useless in the main series.

Exactly. This goes especially for Eviolite Chansey that was comparably even better than its evolution. Both Chansey and Blissey are forces to be reckoned with in competitive formats in the main series.

They could have done that much more easily by nerfing the effect of motivation decay on CP. Its ridiculous that 80% of CP is lost as the motivation decays. It should be more like 10-20%; so a 3000CP is 2400-2700CP when you knock him out.

I've often thought the same. I regularly see level 20-25 players kick out a 3k Blissey so do they really need to decay all the way down so that a level 10 player can beat them with a Pidgeotto?

I don't think "Nerfed" is the right term; the impression I'm getting is that they are lowering the numeric value while simultaneously making Defense, at least, a more valuable stat than it currently is.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this change.

So they are taking away half of everyones defense, and making defense twice as effective? On principle, that can't be what they are doing because it's too stupid. There has to be a shift somewhere along the line, so that either weaker defenders benefit, or stronger defenders benefit.

And how will this all affect Deoxys? The attack form has less defense than a wet piece of tissue paper, and the defense form is Lugia like in both it's ability to take a punch and to not really be able to deliver one.

Lugia is significantly stronger than Deoxys-D in Attack and Stamina, to the point that comparison isn't equivalent. I'd use a different one: Deoxys-D is outclassed in every stat by Regice/rock, and has equivalent attack and worse health than Registeel.