Outclassed and worthless are 2 different words. Maybe once you've acquired 6 maxed versions of whatever is doing the outclassing, but until then feel good about your current beasts. Also as this game keeps going and can become boring i like having beefy versions of all kinds of attackers for variety's sake.
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My motivation is gone
So, after I read the latest guide about Gen 4 pokemon to look forward to in the future I honestly feel somewhat disappointed.
https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/top-10-pokemon-gen-4-look
All my beloved powered up mons like Tyranitars (3 maxed and drew a 100% one today from a raid, that i cant max out with a good conscience now), Rayquazas (I maxed 2 and was about to make a 3rd one), Raikou (one maxed), Kyogre, Groudon (one each to L31 only so far) and FP-Venusaur will most likely be outclassed and made worthless.
It feels like all the work I invested in attackers from Gen 2/3 was useless.
I immediately stopped powering up my 3rd Ray and will now start saving up dust and rare candy. Am I the only one who feels that way?
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Exactly, I don’t even have one repeated mon with the same moveset powered up for my raiding teams. This is for example my general Latios team, and pretty much looking forward to power up a good Latios when I catch it just for the sake of variety. For the same reason I’m looking forward to Garchomp and Palkia.
What makes Rayquaza useless?! He’s a better damage dealer than any dragon. If you are suggestion Dialga.. no. It will most likely not have the same move set. You will be safe powering up Rays for a awhile. In fact I suggest doing it to take one the dragons of gen 4 AND gen 5. Ray will not be useless ever. If they make Mega evolutions, he will be the best in the game.
Nothing compares to Groudon either. He is the strongest ground type in all gens. Kyogre will still be strong, Palkia won’t get the same move set. Raikou I see being outclassed, or at least not as great, same with th a fire attackers.
I agree about Ray still being pretty useful, but Im almost certain, Palkia gets DT, so it all depends on the charge move, which could be his special move, i dont remember the name of. Palkia is bulkier, so I see it being the better option, assuming the charge is good enough.
Garchomp with better moves is all Im saying. Basically a 2 bar charge is all it needs.
Not so sure about that, Palkia will very likely get a good water quick i think.
From your post you dont even have full teams of the best. So what, you complaining for the sake of complaining? Not one mon is gonna replace kyogre for a longgggggg time. Or groudon unless big changes happen. As with all legendarys it will be a long time before you have 6 maxed darkrai. Even hard core players will probably max 2 for a long time.
I rarely ever need more than those 3 of each species anyway. So even without having a full team (stupidty in my eyes, except Machamp), I would say Im in a position to judge that. I could have 6 Tyras by now if really needed, but I never felt the urge for it.
Getting 2 max Darkrais should be ez, didnt take me more than one and a half month for two Rays aswell. Unless its a mythical mon, candies wont be an issue for me.
Who knows? It wouldnt surprise me to see Palkia outclassing it.
Groudons moves are trash, Garchomp should easily surpass it, assuming it gets a decent two bar charge move.
Am talking about teams of 6 of each specialized attackers. From reading your responses I do not think you actually read the article or maybe you just didn't understand what you where reading? Your whole argument is based on guesses no hard actual proof unlike the article. Lets break it down.
1.You say groudon moves are trash but hes still at the top. Fact
2.You say garchomp will surpass groudon but have no idea if it will get a 2 bar charge move that will surpass groudon, so that is a guess.
3.You say palkia will surpass kyogre if it gets waterfall but it doesnt in the main games so thats a guess again no proof.
Raikou isnt outclassed not even close just that electrobuzz (dps is higher but dto is much lower) and magnezone are solid non legendaries ( no rare candy ) eventually zekrom will challenge it and if they tweek zapdos moves might make it worth some candy but neither are likely to actually outclass it.
Darkrai has way lower dto then ttar and requires rare candy so will lkkely take up 2 spots in a team then is rounded out by 4 ttars (due to candy costs and the eventual appearance of yveltal),
Neither groudon is not outclassed and with the highest dps will again fill the first 2 slots
Kyogre maintaines a big lead
Tangrowth is likely to have a tdo advantage but from memory its attack is not great so dps is likely to be lower so likely to fill the last 1 to 2 spots rather then a whole team.
Rayquaza was not that much better then dragonite that powering up more then 2 was ever going to b worth it but otherwise the most exciting thing about gen 4 are non legendaries (no rare candy) that can contend in otherwise unrepresented niches
Tank ghost, grass, electric (assuming mangnazones resistances are under represented in its tdo), earth, dragon
Glass rock
Dps dark (non glass) dps electric (moves pending)
The only 3 that i would say are supreme are dialga, heatran and mamoswine
And all this stuff is move dependant with niantic usually giving mons with elete stats poor moves to balance them.
Tdo is not important for me, so your first two arguments dont matter for me personally, aswell as the one about Tangrowth. Roserade was the one I was considering as the new grass king anyway.
Trashy moves for Groudon, Palkia with a water sets are my reply to your assumptions. You could be right, but its not as sure as you would think in my eyes.
Wrong, it makes Latios duo realistic for normies, so it IS that much better than Dnite.
I agree about those niche picks though, these are the ones that get me excited aswell. At least i didnt invest much in Golems...
You must have the privalage of city play and chain raids as no one outside of that gets enough rare candy to make the possibilty of full teams of mono legendary relevant for every type. On top of that roserade is likely too glassy to b useful outside of the first slot in t5 raids.
I have 2 maxed legacy gengars and other then pre mewtwo alakazam raids i do not use the second as they die too fast once the raid boss starts pumping out charge moves.
Glass just mostly isn't worth it. Dps over dto sure, but feint dodge loop affects the glass end more then the dto end and you have to add your lobby time in. So if you want to put stuff on a scale of 1 to 5 glass to tank then 2 and 3 are usually the most usefull in short man and 2 to 4 for general play (unless short manning i prefer to stagger my mons opening with straight dps and finishing with dto) and yes i spent up big to short man things in the past and no it mostly isn't worth it.
Palkia doesn't even appear to have a water fast move unless there are changes to the game which i wouldn't count on.
Overall i still hold that with a couple of exceptions gen 4 will bring welcome alternatives rather then outright shifts in the meta.
I think that you need to read that guide again, because your conclusions are unfounded. That article doesn't state at any point what you are stating at your current post. To begin with, they are just predictions of those pokemon's potential in the best case scenario. It is unlikely that all of them get the optimal moveset.
Assuming you didn’t max a full team of one pokemon, and you didn’t what’s the problem?
Electiwire and Magnezone won’t pose a threat to Raikou or Zapdos, merely replaces filler Jolteon,
Garchomp or Rhyperior is same as well, no threat to your groudon investment but rhydons, and it’s own evolution nonetheless.
Mamoswine will reign supreme but only people trying to duo rayquaza has heavily invested in ice types, and it’s still piloswine’s evolution which was on par with any ice type available so far
Palkia may not even get an Water moveseat
Fp Venusaur won’t be outdpsed, tangrowth merely has more tdo, and grass types aren’t so much in demand due to raikou and Kyogre
Darkrai is mythical and will be one only like mew, what’s there to lose, Honchkrow and Weavile might have high dps but nowhere near bulk to Tyranitar, they will probably shine in certain matchups but that’s it
Heatran will be supreme but it will still only replace filler flareons, Moltres will still be in second slot or maybe Entei, your preference. Then again community Charizard also threatens those flareons.
If you were to heavily invest in Golem it could be an issue because of Smackdown and it’s been expected anyways. Aside from Rampardos anyone with double rock will find place in party
Dialga or Palkia won’t outdps Rayquaza as well, only your community day Dragonites.
Tldr, not even one of your investments will be *useless* or *worthless*, at most new attackers will only replace weakest link in your party
Side note: keep larvitar for a possible community day, that’s the real fear.
None of these you mentioned will be worthless anytime soon.
I do agree that saving some stardust and candy is always a good idea, but we also have to consider what’s going on now. Bet your Tyras helped you A LOT in raids, and that’s what counts. Plan for the future but don’t forget to live the present. Fu**** cliché but yeah.
This said, there are other things to consider:
- It’s worth noting that, as it happened with a bunch of gen2/ gen3 mons, many of these gen4 might not get an ideal moveset.
- Some of these mons you mentioned can get new moves like what happened with Gyarados.
- Unlikely to happen anytime soon, but still, Niantic can rework the status formula anytime.
- Also, no one knows exactly when these gen4 will be available, much less the legendaries (Darkrai might actually take years to appear). So, not investing in the mons you should now just because something better will come in the far future is not exactly the best decision.
So shallow and boring
What a lame and depleting way of seeing things.
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Don't power up anything until gen 7 (or 8?) is released in PoGO, having fun and enjoying the game NOW certainly isn't worth it if your Pokemon are gonna be outclassed in an undetermined amount of time by slightly better attackers. Be mediocre until that happens, let's see how long it takes before you bore yourself to death.
lol dont get me wrong there, I dont mind a few mons being better here and there, but gen 4 brings a probably unmatched wave of new mons that will most likely instantly reign their specialisation. I didnt have to face such big changes in Gen 2 or 3. Sure, Kyogre and Ray, but thats basically it.
You completely exeggerate in a way that I cant take you serious, sry.
Did I, really?
"All my beloved powered up mons [...] will most likely be OUTCLASSED and made WORTHLESS."
"It feels like all the work I invested in attackers from Gen 2/3 was USELESS."
I think what I replied fits your narrative pretty consistently
Also, Raikou trivialized all of its competition and Bissey made all other defenders a complete afterthought when gen 2 hit us
As I said it was my feeling, so dont expect me to be completely objective. In fact, being outclassed is close to being useless in my eyes.
Its true about Raikou, but Jolteon has never been a great mon to invest in in my eyes, so that never bothered me. Its a bit of a pity that they ruined Zapdos by CB also, but I also never pumped my dust into it because of it.
Not exactly, at least under the new gym system. Blisseys are so hard to get, that even with the old system it was almost impossible to get a full 10 man gym with all Blissey, so Snorlax and Vaporeon still remained as useful defender.
These pokemon are only IFS. They might not have the greatest moves. Look at what they did at Armaldo, he could have been great, but ended up being trashy. They might not have excellent moves at all. I mean that pokemon such as Rampardos or Rhyperior could get moves like Thunder just like Aggron and Latias did. If they do kill me please.
Since I have an excess of red balls went running with the go plus, 8km of jogging, stopped and did PGO stuff---kicked out an Exeggutor with a Scizor to get three of the 7 supercharged moves, few other things. My moving pace was 7:50 a mile...I got credit for 0.7 kilometers. May as well drive and play as to moderately jog and play.
If nothing that comes out is an improvement on what we already have...then exactly how motivated do you think anyone will be to catch anything?
Most of Gen 3 have been described as 'nothing but dex entries' as a complaint, since they were released.
Seriously....Niantic are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
