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Mewtwo: Cn/Ps vs. PC/FB

Mewtwo with Cn/Ps is a very safe investment, in that nothing in any generation can perform its role better. However, Machamp solos are easy with level 30 non-legendaries and few gym defenders (only the occasional Hariyama) are weak to Psychic. So how useful will Mewtwo with Cn/Ps be in the long run? Do future generations introduce legendaries or good gym defenders weak to Psychic?

Mewtwo with PC/FB is very useful for attacking Blissey and Chansey with DG (or Ps, which is hard to dodge) with 52% higher TDO but 13% lower DPS than Machamp, but how future-proof is it? Metagross and Heatran may get off-the-charts TDO, but their DPS will be significantly lower (except in sun for Heatran). Do future generations have attackers similar to, but better than, Ursaring (not Fighting-type but with dual-Fighting set) or Blaziken (STAB Fighting moves but secondary typing negates Fairy/Psychic weakness)?

(Ignore Mewtwo with Sh. Of course, Mewtwo with IB will pale in comparison to Mamoswine with Av.)

Asked by hkn5 years 5 months ago
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I can solo machamp without dodging

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Your post history indicates that you are a spoofer, so your achievements mean nothing.

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by Kazlu 5 years 5 months ago

"Do future generations have attackers similar to, but better than, Ursaring (not Fighting-type but with dual-Fighting set)"
Rock Smash/Focus Blast Mew ? Eh, never mind, it has higher TDO but lower DPS than Ursaring against Blissey...

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From Gens 4-7 onward, the list of legendary/mythical/Ultra Beasts weak to psychic are as follows:

- Terrakion (Gen 5, Rock/Fighting, Legendary)
- Virizion (Gen 5, Grass/Fighting, Legendary)
- Meloetta Pirouette (Gen 5, Normal/Fighting, Mythical)
- Nihilego (Gen 7, Rock/Poison, Ultra Beast)
- Buzzwole (Gen 7, Bug/Fighting, Ultra Beast)
- Pheromosa (Gen 7, Bug/Fighting, Ultra Beast)
- Marshadow (Gen 7, Ghost/Fighting, Mythical)

Anything T5 you'd use a C/P Mewtwo for isn't out for at least another couple generations. At that, a majority of them have more easily exploitable weaknesses or even more punishing double weaknesses. That's not to say other T3's or T4's won't come along that favor it.

As for Mewtwo being safe with C/P, that's debatable. We have yet to see what they plan to do with Psystrike, which will be the better move if for no reason other than being a two-bar attack. 4.4 second cooldown is brutal though, and after seeing Psycho Boost get released as is I don't have any reason to believe they'd tweak Psystrike.

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Tweaking Psycho Boost would not make them money. Tweaking Psystrike would.

EDIT: Reasoning: Deoxys is too frail to be a star attacker in the first place and Niantic likely has enough knowledge by now to realize this. Thus there isn't any incentive to give it good moves, because people wouldn't go nuts trying to get EX raid passes whether it has good moves or not.
Mewtwo is different however. The reasons masses would get interested in raiding it again would be a) shiny possibility b) better movesets than what are currently available. Making Psystrike the best psychic charge move and releasing it with shiny Mewtwo for raids has potential to make them a lot of money. Deoxys doesn't even remotely have the same kind of potential, so comparing Psycho Boost and Psystrike has no basis.

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This question is very hard to answer:
For example, just checking Dynamic Punch learners from Bulbapedia I found the following potential non-STAB fighting attackers:
LK/DP Electivire
KC/DP Magmortar
Psycho Cut/DP Alakazam
Dragon Tail/DP Dragonite
LK/DP Tyranitar
Poison Jab/DP Gengar
C/DP Rhyperior
LK/DP Sceptile
C/DP Slaking
Confusion/DP Metagross
Mud Shot/DP Groudon

The information seems conflicting on whether they all can learn DP in the latest generation, but several of them can for sure learn Focus Blast or Hammer Arm, which might very well make it into the game.

Learnsets in the main series are huge and most pokemon can learn dozens of moves, many of which are non-STAB. It's impossible to speculate on what could useful future non-STAB attackers because of this. But it's safe to say that challenging Mewtwo as a non-STAB fighting attacker is going to be very hard due to its sheer base attack.

As for the Blaziken niche (Blaziken is only neutral to fairy, it takes SE from psychic), there are Infernape and Emboar with the same type, both with lower base attack though. We also have Lucario that's neutral to both psychic and fairy (although it's so glassy that even with the typing Machamp is slightly tankier against psychic and fairy), Gallade that's neutral to psychic and the legendary Cobalion also with the steel subtype.

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