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Machamp's Legacy Moveset

Anyone still have a Machamp or two with the now legacy Karate Chop/Cross Chop moveset? How does that moveset fare nowadays? Does it simply pale in comparison to C/DP?

Asked by CzarJG246 years 1 month ago
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by mahzza 6 years 1 month ago

Cross Chop just doesn't have the raw damage to compete.

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karate chop- dynamic punch combo is still rocking but cross chop is underwhelming

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Yeee I agree with Mahzaa and Kaygisizm

I have a Counter / Cross Chop (wanted KC ={ ) and the dodge bug, which I notice is significantly more likely to occur when more players are present, essentially anihilates the benefit of Cross Chop's extremely short cooldown. Perhaps it may be useful in the future? At least that's what I hope..

I do not have KC but I'd imagine the ability to charge up DP quicker compared to counter makes it just as relevant

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by Sebhes 6 years 1 month ago

It's nice, but I never use it in practice I have to admit.

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No, damage is too low.

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CTMed

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by pipjay 6 years 1 month ago

Cross Chop and Submission were both nerfed hard with the Gen2 moveset change. They are both two-bar charge moves, but with their current damage and time, they would need to be 3-bar charge moves to be comparable with other usable moves.

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I think Cross Chop was buffed (!), at least in absolute terms...it used to be a 60 damage 1 bar, absolute rubbish

But yes in comparison to the new moves it was nerfed in relative terms

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Well, yeah. Nerfed relative to all the other charge move buffs at the same time.

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One of my pride and joy's is a 96% Attack/Stamina 15 Karate Chop/Dynamic Punch Machamp. I find it works quite well - I like how it looks better than Counter, but I don't know if it's significantly different than Counter.

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Karate Chop is lower DPS than Counter, but charges energy a bit faster. Overall, the cycle DPS of Karate Chop/Dynamic Punch is close but still a little lower than Counter/Dynamic Punch.

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I’ve got one that I powered up before the moves’ reshuffle. It is very good for dodging, but underwhelms in damage output. Still worth keeping though, and it can still take down a Blissey.

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Do you still use it for raid bosses like Ttar or Snorlax, maybe even Lapras? I imagine the damage output would still be less than that of C/DP.

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I had one that I tried to TM to KC/DP, and I wasted seven CTM's toggling between close combat & heavy slam. In the meantime, I acquired enough C/DP Machamps and Hariyamas that it wasn't worth continuing to gamble charge TM's on the KC 'Champ. It now has close combat, which is arguably worse than cross chop (similar DPS, but one bar instead of two), and I never use it.

To your question, yes, it is way worse than C/DP from a damage output standpoint, although it is fun to use in gyms for its dodgeability. I wish I could get cross chop back instead of close combat.

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by antgoo 6 years 1 month ago

I have one with counter and cross chop. I quite like it. To me it's easier to dodge. It does less damage but I'm less likely to be KO'd by Blissey with it. That's my personal opinion anyways.

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