Sorry dude. I know Captain Hindsight is never useful but still. If I remember correctly, you are in a Facebook group with some of them. Maybe you should have tried to clarify this days before there (not that you have done anything wrong either way).
Btw, did you keep an eye for an open ex-raid? Actual spoofers might have done the ex-raid remotely.
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I'm still considered a spoofer, was not allowed in the group.
I did not know any of the people there, but one of them said "People know you as a spoofer. I don't play with spoofers." And then everyone turned away and ignored me, did not care about proof. Needless to say I did not even enter the EX Raid.
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The group itself says "Do not discuss spoofers or spoofing." So aside from one person I've spoken to, who clarified that remote-feeding a Lickitung was not what seemed as spoofing, no one else bothered to know me from there. There was no one at the ex raid aside from those who got on the private group. And besides, I didn't want to play with spoofers either. But to this day I don't know what of my behavior made them think I am a spoofer when they themselves never even went to check on whether I am there or not. If they did, they could have at least said "Hi". But nope, no one.
I bet some of them are actual spoofers (or multi-accounters, which can be just as bad), it is so easy and convenient that is very tempting frankly.
Regarding why they thought this of you... Maybe not doing big raids with them but still being invited to an ex raid, which is bullshit of course. Since doing lower tier raids (and being very active on the gym) can get you qualified as well. And since I am guessing, they are not into lower tier raids, they have not see you doing them.
Even if this goes against the facebook group rules, I would suggest you to present your case openly there. Not only because, you have been unjustly treated, if you cannot clarify things, what sense does it make to be part of such group either way, after what you have experienced...
The "others know you" might be the consequence of rumors repeated again and again within the community until they became truth, plus tribal mind set.
They'll just kick me out without discussing. The one who told me about raids said he'll contact the frequent player from my area so we could discuss this. I hope he listens but I think he was at the raid too, there was one Valor player there, and if anyone deserves the Ex Raid from them he sure does.
They were saying they might not be enough to beat Mewtwo, I don't know if they managed to. But if it hadn't been for that one guy (whom I've never seen either) we would have started the raid. But I've expected unfriendly behavior from the start, just not about being accused of spoofing. I just expected a "You're not known by anyone so we can't let you in" or something.
I don't wish them ill at all. I just want to know who and why started these rumors, but if it's like how they were blaming an Indian dude of spoofing for slotting into free gyms (even though he walked there) I think they see spoofers everywhere. And that's not a legit way of finding a spoofer to begin with. To find a spoofer you need to see the gym be attacked + no one else around + slotting in immediately.
Funny enough it was an adult who accused me of this. And his claim was that "Others have seen me." No mention of what exactly has caused the suspicion. No interest in checking my account. Nothing. Just everyone turned their backs on me (even though one of them said they do not care about accusations of spoofing, they all went back on their words). My dad tried to clarify it but they didn't listen to him either. He and I are a common sight in that park, but yet nobody noticed us, even though we bicker a lot.
You know that park hosts EX raids, do as many raids at those gyms as possible. At some point you’ll get another pass. There is usually a lead bully, maybe that particular a-hole doesn’t get an EX pass the next time. Next time get to the EX raid an hour early and start conversing with more reasonable people as they arrive, maybe before the big bully(s) arrive
I did get 1 hour before them all. Then they arrived in their cars and we were about to start the raid. I even told them I heard someone was making rumors of me through their groups, they said "We don't care about spoofing rumors". And then that guy arrived and asked me who I am, I told him my username, and then he said I'm a known spoofer and from there it all went downhill. I was there before all of them, added one of my mons to the Mystic gym that was about to host the EX Raid, fed all their mons too.
The group did not seem to be mean to me at all at the start, until that dude arrived. Yeah I should have stood there but my dad wanted to go home so I chose my dad over a bunch of hypocrites. Oh yeah and another one had 2 phones with her. Not sure if multiaccounting, did not really care. But if it was multi then super hypocrisy.
Really, if someone says " go away" for whatever reason, then it's kind of the end. If you're accused of being a spoofer, no amount of proof will exonerate you. Not because the proof isn't good enough, but because the people accusing you don't really care if you can prove it or not. If they don't need you then that's it.
However, one wonders how you ever became associated with spoofers. If in fact you're friends with a few spoofers publicly then you'll be guilty by association. Right or wrong. It's not a court of law so proof and fact don't matter nearly as much as opinion.
Well, guess unless I can talk to someone from here about what they say seemed like spoofing, I'll never ever get a chance at any legendary, much less Ex Raid.
I was never friends with anyone, when I've asked in the Facebook group about the Ex Raid, one person contacted me and he's known to them, not as a spoofer. I've never raided with anyone else for low tiers (except 2 people present near me), and when i went to a low tier and 2 people kept joining me on public (even though I could not see them) I just went on private. The only thing other than the Lickitung remote Gold Raz feeding that could have pissed someone off was when i was in a Carrefour car or in a tramway and dropped a mon in an already-owned gym of my team. But that can't be enough to spread rumors all over the area, I'd expect weirder stuff like fighting a gym while not being there and then slotting myself in it.
Also, those gyms were not even at that park, yet the people said I spoof the park.
Was the biggest a-hole your color? If he wasn't it could be as simple as that. Someone else from your color will eventually melt their frozen heart if you continue playing. Doesn't sound like there are scores of players in your area, as the game stagnates there will be more and more need for the most stubborn to accept help from anybody around. Best thing to do in the immediate, save pinaps and balls and try to be available for community day. Whoever is at that park will be in a better mood (they won't be stressed that they'll lose an extra ball and miss Mewtwo)
He was blue too. And most of us were blue. Only one red (whom might be the dude I'll have to talk to this evening, as he's a frequent gym taker for Valor) and one yellow. And they've easily accepted them too because they had no one else to play with.
And I understand why one would not risk to play with spoofers if they're not sure if a person spoofs or not but it's pretty stupid that Niantic did not fix their crap so that stuff like this would not be something to worry about.
Well you probably flip the gym a lot, the d-bag player probably takes advantage of that and adds his own to your gym. They probably will continue to feel guilty for excluding you this first time, that might sway their future allowances...if you speak with them just tell them/show them you have no legendaries. If I was a spoofer I'd have 1000 legendaries. The people there couldn't be that ignorant--emotional and reactionary, sure they could be that x 10
The only person I know doing that was much taller than him and wore glasses, and followed me to slot his own as soon as I walked away a long enough distance. I outright told these raiders "Dude, I have exactly 0 legendaries, no barred pokemon, no heaps of candy, I just never spoke to anyone around here so how can someone know me?"
I've gathered from your commentary here you powerup more quirky things than a "DPS (results) only player". No excuse for their actions, but they might think you have those because you have a wider net to catch high level/IV ones. In some ways it might help to put in "usual" defenders, especially since your neighborhood seems to be very narrow minded and might have limited knowledge of all the 350 or so pokemon that can be used
I do not power up those things i put in gyms. They're weak stuff, sometimes shinies, but not leveled at all. And I am not the only one putting various things in there and not the usual Blissey, Chansey or Tyranitar. The high IV stuff is always used as part of the attack team, something which no one has taken a look at except for the double-phone girl to whom I've shown my EX raid team (consisting of not the best Houndoom lvl 35, a Gyarados lvl 20, a Shiftry around lvl 26 or so, a lvl 35 Dragonite, lvl 35 100% IV Rhydon, and a lvl 35 Banette.)
That just sucks. Sorry you had to go through with it.
Did an EX raid yesterday. There was a new person there that none of us had met, we held off starting the raid for a few minutes so he could get there. And afterward, when everyone else had caught, and he was on his last ball, we all gave him encouragement, and then high fives when he did catch on the last ball.
That's what this game should be about, not about forming cliques and excluding people.
I don't know what to tell you about those people except to deny that you spoof, try talking with them a little at other raids, and make friends. Hopefully you'll eventually find a good group of people and can hang with while playing, and let the cliquish excluders stay to themselves.
The reason I'm so sad about this is that this is the raiders' group for my favorite park that's also close by. I could have called them to raids if they wanted to know when legendaries were here because I get a nice view of the whole park and all of its gyms. The odd thing was that they had to take their cars to come here, and that I've never seen them or at least not close up, and I walk this park almost daily. It's strange how we never interacted, and the few I've seen that were not in that group, I just let them take low tier raids and I went on private and never struck up any conversation with them.
Honestly if you are there in person. I would turn this back on them.
I would have simply pointed my camera phone at them, recorded a video interaction.
I would have said on camera "I am not a spoofer, I am obviously right here, are you really going to exclude me from your private group based on rumors"
If they answered yes, or if they refused to answer. I would have pointed out that I am recording this conversation and will be posting it to both facebook and to ninatic as a claim of harassing behavior.
That video would be posted on Facebook.
That video would be attached to an email with a harassment claim.
Ninatic can look up thier accounts, and possibly ban them. Especially from your conversation you mention your dad, does that make you under 18?
As for posting to facebook, if they kick you out of the group, others likewise would likely speak up about how that confirms the ones doing this were wrong.
Sometimes offense is defense.
I wouldn't do this on that first time, but it sure would be in the playbook for the next time. Literally take a photo/video of you being excluded, screen shot of your EX pass, type in "legendary" on your search tool, take a screen shot of not having any--that would confirm you aren't a spoofer to 99% of people
I am not allowed to record people. I can however show them proof of anything they'd ask for including 0 legendaries, a crappy Tyranitar I've hatched (but it has a red pokeball instead, because it was from before the egg marking thing), my cheap attacking team, and if they had allowed me to enter with them they could also see my KM walked etc. Keep in mind though that some around here may be complete noobs so I might be talking to a wall instead of them, the result might be the same.
The whole Facebook group is rumoring this crap about me, and I had exactly zero knowledge of this until one of the more known players asked me if I spoof because word around the group is that I spoof. I am also not allowed to record people without their permission in my country, so they'd just sue me for it.
And no I am 27 years old (also female) but my dad also has to take walks because the doctor recommended him to do so, and at night my mom won't let me go alone so either she goes or dad goes with me. I'd probably afford to get kicked out of the Herastrau group since nobody seems to be active there anymore. And the slap in the face was that I once helped someone over there by telling them what I've found in that park when I visited it (they asked for what pokemon spawn there on the Discussions page). But first, waiting to see if the other dude contacts me, maybe he has more details.
So don't record them. Record yourself talking. Say that you are recording yourself talking.
Secondly, your countries laws are not ninatics laws. I would announce to them I am not a spoofer and that I am reporting you to Ninatic for Harassment for treating me as one.
Ninatic will be the sole judge, and for the record they are very sensititve to that type of accusation.
I suspect I know what they're calling "bot behavior". If someone slots a pokemon in an empty slot and then leaves, they accuse them of spoofing. A guy was saying he actually went there to slot his mons in gyms but they're saying he's taking advantage of the taken gyms and that he's using bots to find empty slots. They accused him of spoofing too.
- The typical annoying bot behavior is when no matter the time of the day, whenever the gym defended by a bot is being attacked, the bot will feed gold berries (according to specific instructions). Meaning, that there is no way to take them out of guard, while the bot is on.
- Regarding spoofer behavior, it depends on how shameless the spoofer is. They will defeat gyms at some extreme hours (like 02:00) unless he does not care about being discovered. Or they will set a defender on a gym as soon as they notice that the gym has been taken by their team (they tend to be more lax in this case regarding the time of the day, since it requires less exposure).
- You can imagine how terrible can be an actual shameless bot user, multi-accouting (multi-accounting is usually tolerated to an extend) spoofer. It seems to me, that the people in your area have never met the real deal.
I want to clarify some comments here regarding a player assisting physically to an ex-raid as a proof that he is not a spoofer. Unfortunately, this is not enough. Unless the spoofer has a group of friends (spoofers or not) big enough willing to play with him, he is forced to assist to the ex-raids in person.
Also it depends a lot in the spoofing style. In my opinion most likely, most spoofers play hybridly, since by doing so they can still be part of the broad community, with all its benefits. Oddly enough, I would expect many of the most revered/proactive/obsessed players, willing to keep attacking/defending no matter the cost, to spoof hybridly (particularly due to the potions/revives shortage).
Well the Lickitung trolling seems to be the only thing someone could think was bot behavior because I've fed 10 golden berries to it when I was at a mall and watched the gym get attacked. I was the only one holding that gym to troll the player who took it too fast from me (a mere 10-15 minutes after I've left he was there to take it). The attacker called it quits and I had that gym until morning when someone sent Licky back.
There are plenty of 3 AM gym takers, but I do not pass 11 PM when it comes to walks.
I have met the real deal. A Valor player who was not present immediately attacked my gym in the middle of a park and then slotted heaps of mons there all at once. I gave up trying to take that gym. I know just how annoying spoofers can be when they do that.
Yeah I get that it's not enough proof to just be present, as spoofers probably don't always coordinate their raids, heck even if they saw me at the park daily they still cannot say if i spoofed or not if they didn't follow me, but there was no info on what evidence one has that I spoofed. I'd expect a video recording of someone actually being there at gym that moment and filming that the attacker is not there and yet is attacking and then slotting into the gym. That's the only way I'd be convinced someone is a spoofer. Not "he said she said".
This is heartbreaking. I seriously never thought anything like this would happen, and that you had no reason to worry. It sounds like the one guy who blackballed you is on some kind of power trip, and only cares about being the alpha male of his PoGo group, not about any sort of justice or fairness. No proof will help in that situation.
I'd suggest posting your story on the Facebook group. No need to mention spoofing. Just say you showed up to the EX raid at the park where you usually raid/play, and one guy decided that nobody should let you do the raid with them. All you wanted to do was play a game that you enjoy, and you were fortunate to earn this reward, and it could have been a very happy day, but because someone decided he didn't like you -- for no good reason -- you didn't get to join in. Surely some people will be sympathetic, and at least maybe they'll stop following this other bozo like sheep.
I wish I could have helped you do the raid myself.
The whole group thinks I'm a spoofer according to someone who contacted me on facebook. Maybe if I hadn't been so scared to talk to the people I've seen do low tier raids, and if I hadn't just given up the gym to the guy who sat on a bench near mine and instead joined him, I'd probably have someone to vouch for me. But as it is, none of those people were there anyway, just people I've never crossed paths with.
I'm sorry to hear this, this was so wrong. At my EX raid yesterday people were concerned that no one was left behind... it was a large crowd at a Starbucks, many players I had never seen.
I felt unwelcomed at a raid one time, just by one person, who acted like she didn't want me there.... but I wanted that Groudon so I just ignored her and joined the raid. Some people are just not friendly, and that's their problem not ours.
You got some good advice. Keep playing, maybe talk to other players when you see them, ignore the jerk. You will get another EX raid pass (I read the chances are good if you ever got one - something about how RNG works. In my case, after I lost the Christmas day pass that was cancelled, I got 2 more!)
I wish you the best of luck.
P.S. I avoid FB like the plague, but like Discord.
Well ok but next time they'll complain i've taken their raid.
Community Day is kind of early for me so unless I can find some Dratinis at the spawn near me I doubt I'll have time to go outside at that hour if work needs to be done at home. I'd hope to find a shiny Dratini though if I do manage to go out there then.
I don't really think this is about spoofing, as much as it is about a power/control trip. A few people want to decide the rules & who gets to play. And the other sheep go along with what these people decide, probably because they are afraid of getting blackballed themselves, or maybe because they just have no backbone. Like I said in your previous thread, somebody always takes charge, and in this case, that worked out badly for you, through no fault of your own.
The whole spoofing argument is ridiculous. If you were a spoofer, you'd be spoofing all over the world, not just in your local area, and you'd be filling the gyms with an endless supply of perfect Dragonites/Blisseys/T-tars, and constantly GR'ing them.
You should seriously consider reporting this to Niantic as harassing behavior. This incident goes against the core concept that Niantic is presumably trying to promote -- getting people active, and bringing them together.
I think it would be helpful to not go private so much, unless you are trying to achieve a specific goal (say, solo T3) that you haven't accomplished before. If it's a Magikarp and there are already two people fighting it, join them anyway. I think you are assuming they won't want you to join them, but it might come across to them as you not wanting to play with them. They can always go private if they want to. Or, I know this is difficult for you, but you could politely ask them if they mind you joining. And give other people a little wave when you see them playing. Regardless of their response, it will show that you are a friendly, considerate person.
Everyone here on this site is pulling for you, and we really want this story to have a happy ending.
