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Ho-Oh against Kyogre

Have anybody tried it against Kyogre? Against the Blizzard variant only for obvious reasons, with Solarbeam, how does it perform? Since Blizzard wrecks all Kyogre counters but Raikou

Asked by MarcoLeandroX5 years 10 months ago
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by thetwo 5 years 10 months ago

I checked, and my maxed perfect Ho Oh with Solar Beam does not make my top 6 either in DPS or TDO. Fire resists Ice, but flying gets extra damage, so Ho Oh is neutral. My level 35 Vileplumes have higher TDO!

From what I see, it sits around #13 in TDO of all attackers, (noth counting alternate movesets on the same attacker)

Edit - read the string below, very different results from pokegenie battle simulator and Pokebattler

From Pokebattler Ho-Oh sits at #2 for TDO and #4 overall

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That I have a hard time believing, considering Vileplume is straight up weak to Blizzard. This site's DPS/TDO rankings against Blizzard Kyogre put Ho-Oh at 273 TDO with its optimal moveset while Vileplume is well over 100 points lower. It does have higher DPS, though not by much.

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I'm using pokie genie battle simulator. Sunny/Clear No Dodge

Kyogre moveset Blizzard

maxed perfect Vileplume and Ho-Oh

Vileplume Razor Leaf/Solar Beam DPS 13.8

11 Vileplume do 32.3 % damage to Kyogre, or 2.93% damage per Vileplume.

Ho-Oh ES/Solar Beam DPS 12.1

10 Ho-Oh do 28.6% damage to Kyogre, or 2.86% damage per Ho-Oh

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Does it average all the movesets? That could be why since over half of Ho-Oh's include at least one NVE move.

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I'm really curious as well. I will check pokebattler later to see if the results are markedly different.

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Well so much for consistent results, here is the list by TDO from Pokebattler for Sunny/Clear No Dodge Kyogre Blizzard maxed attackers:
Blissey P/HB 337
Ho-Oh E/SB 327
Raikou T/WC 326
Kyogre W/T 303
Ludicolo RL/SB 292
Mew CB/GK 280
Groudon MS/SB 268
Metagross ZH/E 257
Lanturn CB/T 253
Latios ZH/SB 253

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and here is the list from Pokebattler for Time to Win (DPS)
Raikou
Venusaur frenzy
Groudon Solar Beam
Latios Solar Beam
Zapdos Thunderbolt
Exeggutor Seed Bomb
Sceptile FC/LB
Ludicolo RL/SB
Jolteon Thunderbolt
Victreebel

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With ES/SB, it's DPS*TDO ranking is right after Raikou, Zapdos, Mewtwo, and FP Venusaur despite having less DPS than all four of them. Could be useful as a last slot filler I guess? I can't honestly remember if I used mine against Kyogre the first time it came around.

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