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The Great Cup tourneys that Silph Road held are total bullshit.

Instead of limiting games to the Great Cup, why not make a Great, Ultra or Masters division and make a banlist for something like say, Giratina or Mamoswine instead?

These games are totally not possible to perform in a cost-efficient basis because of this type of toxic inclusive-exclusiveness. They pretend to be fair for all players but are in reality excluding many players like me who do not want to bother stockpiling and investing in low iv garbage pokemon to clog storage space. Also they give you 1 month to prepare but in reality depending on situation, the preparation time from scratch can go around 8 months minimum.

There NEEDS to be an ultra and masters league division with a banlist yet everyone with a brain can figure out Silph Road is actually deceptively toxic and they will not do it because of "Fair and Square." Fair and Square but people who play cost efficient cannot even think about joining that shit.

If there would be a masters division i would be trying the cups, but the great league only bullshit is an impassable barricade and serves no purpose other than that.

Asked by Mr-ex7775 years 1 month ago
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Wait a minute...so you think the solution to "toxic inclusive-exclusiveness" is for them to have ranked Masters League cup tournaments where the barrier to entry is level 40 maxed out and unlocked legendaries that would cost the average player a metric shitton of stardust and rare candies? Masters, where the number of meta relevant options is a fraction of what Great League has? You talk about how it takes far too long for people to invest in Great League Cup Mons... how do you think it would be any better for people to invest in Masters? You gonna max new Mons to lvl 40 every month when they do a new Masters Cup theme? Also, what about lower level players who want to play in one of these cups? "Sorry, your Mons aren't big enough, no Masters cup for you" (Masters is literally locked as a battle option unless you have enough high level Mons) is the reply they'd get. That's 100% the toxic exclusiveness that you claim you're trying to avoid. Like, wat?

The tournaments are very clearly held at the Great League for the following reasons:
• GL has the widest variety of Mons of the 3 leagues. Masters has the fewest.
• GL, overall, has the lowest investment costs of the 3 leagues. Masters has the highest.
• GL is the most accessible to players, regardless of their level. Masters is the least accessible.

So good job. Your argument literally makes zero sense. Also, if you don't like the Silph League tournaments, then don't do them. They're purely for fun and have zero impact on your game.

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Except there's a few problems with having 3 divisions. First and foremost, managing three divisions per month is a lot more work than managing one. You do realize that the work they put into this (including the software that manages the actual tournament) is done purely as a hobby and provided to us for free, right? They don't owe us anything.

Ultra league could be doable, though if you're opposed to investing in "low IV garbage Mons" for the Great League, then I doubt you're going to really feel all that different about Ultra. Because the same approach is going to be used there as well.

Masters League? No way. Barrier to entry is way too high, and there's too few relevant options to choose from. Everyone's teams would end up being identical for the few that could afford to participate.

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by zap 5 years 1 month ago

Frankly, I agree. Why 1500cp? 2500 is arguably more varied, with more relevant Pokemon being already available.

I have a few decent Pokemon for the great league, but mostly it's been fooling around, not wasting too many resources.

I can't for the life of me figure out why people would power up (and add moves to) so many Pokemon just to be part of an unofficial, self-imposing+restricting, limited-access fanclub tournament.
I think their sentiments may be genuine, result is not.

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For fun, the reason most people I know play this game.

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The lower CP cap means Great league has more viable pokemon than Ultra, since those with great stat spreads and movesets that max out at significantly below 2,5k can't make it in Ultra. This is why Great has a wider and more varied meta.

>I can't for the life of me figure out

Because it's fun. It's also more competitive than anything else we have. Personally, I also don't have anything else to use resources on either, as my raid teams are good enough that they seldom require more investment.

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by FerLG 5 years 1 month ago

The Silph road inclusiveness is certainly debatable (or how they feel they sit on top of a pedestal among the pokemon fandom) but no one stops you from organizing Ultra or Master League tourneys.
If you want their medals and ranking you need to play by their rules, it's that simple.
Anyway we all know they are trying to make PvP engaging (and i respect that a lot) since Niantic made a lackluster effort with it's initial release. And definitively the great league is the best place to make it since the low cp cap means less investment and more variety of mons so many more players can participate, there is no need to have the meta team to have fun.

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If we want their medals? I didn't even realize they offered medals. Personally I don't need something that shallow, I guess some people need it though.

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I don't necessarily agree with your methodology and I don't participate in Silph Cups so it doesn't affect me, but it's actually a little surprising they don't have tournaments held at the other league levels as well. Maybe it's just because they've only done a couple so far and future cups will be held at other leagues as well?

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I hope they do eventually have cups in other leagues. Not because I compete; I don’t. I play PvP for fun. But most of my friends like to focus on the cup of the month, and most want to battle only in that league. At this rate, it will take forever to get the ultra or master trainer gold badges.

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I think it is waaaaaay easier to have a team ready for great than it is for the other leagues. I mean, many species are battle ready just by evolving them at the right level. Some people have won their local tourneys without the need for unlocking secondary moves. If a cup was held at masters in n my area, it would only have 6 people participating in it, if any. Most people can do just fine by just swinging it and investing nothing, if they have the brains to plan ahead. A good strategy is to just evolve or hold on to anything that can reach a CP under 1500 without much effort.

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After battling around with friends, I have actually grown quite fond of GL, since it costs less to get pokemon to that tier, I feel like I get more surprised by what pokemon show up there, and even more surprised by what pokemon freaking wreck in pvp their when I might have written them off because they aren't "viable" in pve

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Because Niantic and the powers that be feel the need to constantly pander to new, returning, casual, and rural players.... Nerf legendary raids till the can be done with 3 players, constantly releasing legendary and exclusive moves to the point that they are meaningless, exchanging gifts gives ludicrously high XP and items all while sitting on the couch ... Why would they want to include a tournament that actually requires someone to go out and catch Pokémon

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And the winner for "most uninformed and pointless reply of the day" goes to... 🤣

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'gotta shoehorn my opinion in any way I can'. congrats for you, dude

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by zachi2 5 years 1 month ago

So lets take a look at a few things.
1.) what are the drop rates on TMs? If youre an avid raider you might have what, a handful? You could also look at the new move option and hope for a roll there but thats expensive in its own right. [check 1 for exclusiveness]
2.) meta. Back to raids, meaning 5 star raids. Unless you're getting carried, newish players wont be getting those legendaries any time soon and even if they are, their level will play heavily into the catch rate. [check 2 for exclusiveness]
3.) Levels. Both trainer and mon levels. I shouldn't even have to elaborate about this, but here we go. Lets try out a MewTwo, since if i recall he was a scare for a "team of mewtwos" in masters. If you catch one at say lv 20 and need to get it to 40, heres what youre looking at. 225000 stardust and 248 candy. Depending on the average rare candy drop, youre still looking at ALOT of farming [check 3 for exclusivity]

What great league does is allow newer players and casual players to engage in PVP without needing to go out and grind raids every day for 3-4 hours a day. I actaully drove 2 friends away from PoGo because I live next to a good rotation of gyms and a good PoGo community so my level and teams of strong mon grew much faster then theirs and they started to have the mentality of "whats the point". so good on silph road for trying to get the community together.

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